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On 13/01/2013 12:48 PM, "Annie" wrote: > what exactly is the difference between difficult to imagine and the > imagining being difficult? > > Sent from my iPod > > On Jan 12, 2013, at 5:05 AM, Ross Ogilvie wrote: > > It's more about the sentence structure and assertion. When you say > "difficult to imagine", the main assertion is about the difficulty. In the > sentence {lo si'o ciska lo ro fa'oma'o cu xanri} the main assertion (the > selbri) is about imagining (xanri). Adding fu'inai after xanri is like > huffing to indicate that you find the imaging is difficult. > > mu'o mi'e ros > > On 12 January 2013 09:24, Annie wrote: > >> e > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > > > *** This Email was sent by a student at School for the Blind. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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"difficult to imagine" is one assertion
The other one is first asserting that it is being imagined, and then also s= aying you feeling that the imagining is difficult.

On 13/01/2013 12:48 PM, "Annie" <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net>= ; wrote:
what exactly is the difference between difficult to = imagine and the imagining being difficult?

Sent from my iPod

On Jan 12, 2013, at 5:05 AM, Ross Ogilvie <ross@rossogilvie.id.au> wrote:=

It's more about the sentence structure and assertion. When yo= u say "difficult to imagine", the main assertion is about the dif= ficulty. In the sentence {lo si'o ciska lo ro fa'oma'o cu xanri= } the main assertion (the selbri) is about imagining (xanri). Adding fu'= ;inai after xanri is like huffing to indicate that you find the imaging is = difficult.

mu'o mi'e ros

On 12 January 2013 09:24, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.ne= t> wrote:
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