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This depends on whether you're using a cmevla (not a cmene, ta'o; selbri
names are cmene too) or a selbri name. With a selbri name things are clean:
a relative clause before the ku is in the name, a relative clause after the
ku is not. This does mean, somewhat annoyingly, that {la latro'a noi bebna}
is "the one named "latro'a noi bebna"".  With a cmevla name, you can't
attach a relative clause inside the name after the cmevla starts, so that
{la .latros. noi bebna} attaches a relative clause to {la .latros.}. Note
that {la noi bebna .latros.} is valid, and is "the one named "noi bebna
latros"".

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:59 AM, mudri <jammyatjammy@gmail.com> wrote:

> If a sumti prefixed with {la} (with either a selbri or cmene inside) has
> an associated relative clause/phrase or linked sumti, how much of these are
> part of the name, and how much are just extra information? There are
> situations where both are useful.
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This depends on whether you&#39;re using a cmevla (not a cmene, ta&#39;o; s=
elbri names are cmene too) or a selbri name. With a selbri name things are =
clean: a relative clause before the ku is in the name, a relative clause af=
ter the ku is not. This does mean, somewhat annoyingly, that {la latro&#39;=
a noi bebna} is &quot;the one named &quot;latro&#39;a noi bebna&quot;&quot;=
.=A0 With a cmevla name, you can&#39;t attach a relative clause inside the =
name after the cmevla starts, so that {la .latros. noi bebna} attaches a re=
lative clause to {la .latros.}. Note that {la noi bebna .latros.} is valid,=
 and is &quot;the one named &quot;noi bebna latros&quot;&quot;.<br>
<br>mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On F=
ri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:59 AM, mudri <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:jammyatjammy@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jammyatjammy@gmail.com</a>&gt;</=
span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">If a sumti prefixed with {la} (with either a=
 selbri or cmene inside) has an associated relative clause/phrase or linked=
 sumti, how much of these are part of the name, and how much are just extra=
 information? There are situations where both are useful.

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