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Thanks; that answers it. Except, what happens with linked sumti ({be})?

On Friday, 18 January 2013 16:21:48 UTC, Ian Johnson wrote:
>
> This depends on whether you're using a cmevla (not a cmene, ta'o; selbri 
> names are cmene too) or a selbri name. With a selbri name things are clean: 
> a relative clause before the ku is in the name, a relative clause after the 
> ku is not. This does mean, somewhat annoyingly, that {la latro'a noi bebna} 
> is "the one named "latro'a noi bebna"".  With a cmevla name, you can't 
> attach a relative clause inside the name after the cmevla starts, so that 
> {la .latros. noi bebna} attaches a relative clause to {la .latros.}. Note 
> that {la noi bebna .latros.} is valid, and is "the one named "noi bebna 
> latros"".
>
> mi'e la latro'a mu'o
>
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:59 AM, mudri <jammya...@gmail.com <javascript:>
> > wrote:
>
>> If a sumti prefixed with {la} (with either a selbri or cmene inside) has 
>> an associated relative clause/phrase or linked sumti, how much of these are 
>> part of the name, and how much are just extra information? There are 
>> situations where both are useful. 
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Thanks; that answers it. Except, what happens with linked sumti ({be})?<br>=
<br>On Friday, 18 January 2013 16:21:48 UTC, Ian Johnson  wrote:<blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">This depends on whether you're using a cm=
evla (not a cmene, ta'o; selbri names are cmene too) or a selbri name. With=
 a selbri name things are clean: a relative clause before the ku is in the =
name, a relative clause after the ku is not. This does mean, somewhat annoy=
ingly, that {la latro'a noi bebna} is "the one named "latro'a noi bebna"".&=
nbsp; With a cmevla name, you can't attach a relative clause inside the nam=
e after the cmevla starts, so that {la .latros. noi bebna} attaches a relat=
ive clause to {la .latros.}. Note that {la noi bebna .latros.} is valid, an=
d is "the one named "noi bebna latros"".<br>
<br>mi'e la latro'a mu'o<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 18, =
2013 at 10:59 AM, mudri <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" targe=
t=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"IkEe0ZCTxHsJ">jammya...@gmail.com</a>=
&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">If a sumti prefixed with {la} (with either a=
 selbri or cmene inside) has an associated relative clause/phrase or linked=
 sumti, how much of these are part of the name, and how much are just extra=
 information? There are situations where both are useful.

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