On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Jonathan Jones= <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

A zi'evla might be better than a lujvo in this instance, if only= because the rafsi suck.

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 a= t 9:15 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wr= ote:

On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 7:50:33= PM UTC+4, tsani wrote:
On 29 January 2013 04:03, la gleki <gleki.is...@gma= il.com> wrote:

what is the word for "velocity" after all?
dont te= ll me it's {nilsutra}
velocity=3Dlength/time

(I hate-await)

latro'a a= nd I devised a system for making arbitrary units in Lojban. Our system invo= lves making a zi'evla for every unit you want, and defining it using a = special kind of tanru. Working under the assumption that XI+PA forms #FREE,= we created two experimental cmavo: {pi'ai} (KE) and {te'ai} (XI).<= /div>

{pi'ai} is used as a prefix to indicate that the un= it-selbri are being multiplied to form a new unit selbri. {te'ai} is us= ed after a unit selbri to exponentiate it.
We can easily create t= he units for velocity, m*s^-1, with this system as follows:=A0

1) prefix the tanru with pi'ai; {pi'ai ...}*
2) dete= rmine the unit selbri that we need: {mitre} and {snidu}; {pi'ai mitre s= nidu}*
3) exponentiate accordingly; {pi'ai mitre snidu te'= ;ai ni'u pa}

Because this new unit tanru is long, we need to make up= a brivla for it based on its components ideally. To indicate that it was c= reated with this method, we decided that prefixing it with pi'air- migh= t be a good idea, but perhaps that the prefix can be dropped contextually.<= /div>

{pi'airtredilsnidu =3D x1 measures x2 metres per se= cond (by standard x3)}
=3D pi'ai mitre snidu te'ai ni'= ;u pa

Some of you may hate this system, and that&#= 39;s okay. It's not like I approve of everything everyone does either.<= /div>

I hate this system just becaus= e you have to create new zi'evla every time you use a new formula (yes,= just like in natlangs!).
But speed is just "Length/time&quo= t;. Just a simple formula.

I wish someone could say here
Entia non sunt= multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.
(entities should not be = multiplied needlessly).

i.e. i wish someone = could express Length/time, not speed in a concise way.

=A0

An example of defining the Newton:
{.i lo ka = pi'airniutni cu ka ce'u pi'ai ki'ogra mitre snidu te'ai= ni'u re ce'u ce'u}

I've been usin= g {mitre} as a simplification for displacement. Obviously, I'd need to = construct some unit selbri for displacement, then use that in these definit= ions above to get vectors.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

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