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This assumes you believe that you can actually take ratios like that.
Myself I don't; I think units are *fundamentally* selbri rather than sumti
in Lojban, and that the natlang solution of thinking of quantities and
products/ratios thereof is actually quite strange, despite being
mathematically consistent. Under this standpoint only pi'ai/te'ai or a
similar system makes sense.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:26 PM, selpa'i <m3o@plasmatix.com> wrote:

> la gleki cu cusku di'e
>
>  what is the word for "velocity" after all?
>> dont tell me it's {nilsutra}
>> velocity=length/time
>>
>
> Another way to express such units is:
>
> "length / time" = {li ni'e ni clani fe'i ni'e ni temci}
>
> With lujvo:
>
> {li ni'e nilcla fe'i ni'e niltei}
>
> This is not that much longer than the English "length divided by time".
> Now a lujvo can be made that uses the above formula as (part of) its
> definition. Something like the following (which is to be considered a
> sketch open to review):
>
> {zo nilclanilteidilcu zo'u: x1 me li ni'e ni clani fa lo jai ve'a muvdu be
> fai x2 te'u fe'i ni'e ni ditcu fa lo nu x2 muvdu}
>
> "length-time-quotient: x1 is the length of the interval of x2's moving
> divided by the duration for which x2 moves"
>
> Feel free to make adjustments to or dismiss alltogether my humble use of
> mekso. :)
>
> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
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>
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This assumes you believe that you can actually take ratios like that. Mysel=
f I don&#39;t; I think units are <i>fundamentally</i> selbri rather than su=
mti in Lojban, and that the natlang solution of thinking of quantities and =
products/ratios thereof is actually quite strange, despite being mathematic=
ally consistent. Under this standpoint only pi&#39;ai/te&#39;ai or a simila=
r system makes sense.<br>
<br>mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On T=
ue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:26 PM, selpa&#39;i <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:m3o@plasmatix.com" target=3D"_blank">m3o@plasmatix.com</a>&gt;</span>=
 wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">la gleki cu cusku di&#39;e<div class=3D"im">=
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
what is the word for &quot;velocity&quot; after all?<br>
dont tell me it&#39;s {nilsutra}<br>
velocity=3Dlength/time<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
Another way to express such units is:<br>
<br>
&quot;length / time&quot; =3D {li ni&#39;e ni clani fe&#39;i ni&#39;e ni te=
mci}<br>
<br>
With lujvo:<br>
<br>
{li ni&#39;e nilcla fe&#39;i ni&#39;e niltei}<br>
<br>
This is not that much longer than the English &quot;length divided by time&=
quot;. Now a lujvo can be made that uses the above formula as (part of) its=
 definition. Something like the following (which is to be considered a sket=
ch open to review):<br>

<br>
{zo nilclanilteidilcu zo&#39;u: x1 me li ni&#39;e ni clani fa lo jai ve&#39=
;a muvdu be fai x2 te&#39;u fe&#39;i ni&#39;e ni ditcu fa lo nu x2 muvdu}<b=
r>
<br>
&quot;length-time-quotient: x1 is the length of the interval of x2&#39;s mo=
ving divided by the duration for which x2 moves&quot;<br>
<br>
Feel free to make adjustments to or dismiss alltogether my humble use of me=
kso. :)<br>
<br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br=
>
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