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Le mercredi 30 janvier 2013 06:52:39 UTC+9, aionys a =E9crit :
>
> Regarding the below, it doesn't seem to be correct.
>
> That is, your example looks to be "(m*s)^-1", not "m*(s^-1)".
>
> I could be reading it wrong, of course.
>
>
No, because {pi'ai} is of KE and {te'ai} is of XI: {te'ai} connects earlier=
=20
than {pi'ai}.

I support (uisai) the idea of {pi'ai} and {te'ai}, because it seems highly=
=20
conformable to the system of dimensional analysis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimensional_analysis


Also, what's the terminator? {ke'e}?
>
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Jacob Errington <nict...@gmail.com<javas=
cript:>
> > wrote:
>
>> latro'a and I devised a system for making arbitrary units in Lojban. Our=
=20
>> system involves making a zi'evla for every unit you want, and defining i=
t=20
>> using a special kind of tanru. Working under the assumption that XI+PA=
=20
>> forms #FREE, we created two experimental cmavo: {pi'ai} (KE) and {te'ai}=
=20
>> (XI).
>>
>> {pi'ai} is used as a prefix to indicate that the unit-selbri are being=
=20
>> multiplied to form a new unit selbri. {te'ai} is used after a unit selbr=
i=20
>> to exponentiate it.
>> We can easily create the units for velocity, m*s^-1, with this system as=
=20
>> follows:=20
>> 1) prefix the tanru with pi'ai; {pi'ai ...}*
>> 2) determine the unit selbri that we need: {mitre} and {snidu}; {pi'ai=
=20
>> mitre snidu}*
>> 3) exponentiate accordingly; {pi'ai mitre snidu te'ai ni'u pa}
>>
>> Because this new unit tanru is long, we need to make up a brivla for it=
=20
>> based on its components ideally. To indicate that it was created with th=
is=20
>> method, we decided that prefixing it with pi'air- might be a good idea, =
but=20
>> perhaps that the prefix can be dropped contextually.
>>
>> {pi'airtredilsnidu =3D x1 measures x2 metres per second (by standard x3)=
}
>> =3D pi'ai mitre snidu te'ai ni'u pa
>>
>> Some of you may hate this system, and that's okay. It's not like I=20
>> approve of everything everyone does either.
>>
>> An example of defining the Newton:
>> {.i lo ka pi'airniutni cu ka ce'u pi'ai ki'ogra mitre snidu te'ai ni'u r=
e=20
>> ce'u ce'u}
>>
>> I've been using {mitre} as a simplification for displacement. Obviously,=
=20
>> I'd need to construct some unit selbri for displacement, then use that i=
n=20
>> these definitions above to get vectors.
>>
>> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o
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<br><br>Le mercredi 30 janvier 2013 06:52:39 UTC+9, aionys a =E9crit&nbsp;:=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;bor=
der-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">Reg=
arding the below, it doesn't seem to be correct.<br><br>That is, your examp=
le looks to be "(m*s)^-1", not "m*(s^-1)".<br><br>I could be reading it wro=
ng, of course.<br><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No, because&nb=
sp;<span style=3D"font-family: arial, sans-serif; ">{pi'ai} is of KE and {t=
e'ai} is of XI: {te'ai} connects earlier than {pi'ai}.</span></div><div><sp=
an style=3D"font-family: arial, sans-serif; "><br></span></div><div><span s=
tyle=3D"font-family: arial, sans-serif; ">I support (uisai) the idea of&nbs=
p;</span><span style=3D"font-family: arial, sans-serif; ">{pi'ai} and {te'a=
i}, because it seems highly conformable to the system of dimensional analys=
is.</span></div><div>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimensional_analysis<span=
 style=3D"font-family: arial, sans-serif; "><br></span></div><div><span sty=
le=3D"font-family: arial, sans-serif; "><br></span></div><div><span style=
=3D"font-family: arial, sans-serif; "><br></span></div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">
Also, what's the terminator? {ke'e}?<br><br>On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:50 AM=
, Jacob Errington <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_=
blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"KDNzbfB9JsIJ">nict...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</sp=
an> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>latro'a and I devised a system for making a=
rbitrary units in Lojban. Our system involves making a zi'evla for every un=
it you want, and defining it using a special kind of tanru. Working under t=
he assumption that XI+PA forms #FREE, we created two experimental cmavo: {p=
i'ai} (KE) and {te'ai} (XI).</div>


<div><br></div><div>{pi'ai} is used as a prefix to indicate that the unit-s=
elbri are being multiplied to form a new unit selbri. {te'ai} is used after=
 a unit selbri to exponentiate it.</div><div>We can easily create the units=
 for velocity, m*s^-1, with this system as follows:&nbsp;</div>


<div>1) prefix the tanru with pi'ai; {pi'ai ...}*</div><div>2) determine th=
e unit selbri that we need: {mitre} and {snidu}; {pi'ai mitre snidu}*</div>=
<div>3) exponentiate accordingly; {pi'ai mitre snidu te'ai ni'u pa}</div>


<div><br></div><div>Because this new unit tanru is long, we need to make up=
 a brivla for it based on its components ideally. To indicate that it was c=
reated with this method, we decided that prefixing it with pi'air- might be=
 a good idea, but perhaps that the prefix can be dropped contextually.</div=
>


<div><br></div><div>{pi'airtredilsnidu =3D x1 measures x2 metres per second=
 (by standard x3)}</div><div>=3D pi'ai mitre snidu te'ai ni'u pa</div><div>=
<br></div><div>Some of you may hate this system, and that's okay. It's not =
like I approve of everything everyone does either.</div>


<div><br></div><div>An example of defining the Newton:</div><div>{.i lo ka =
pi'airniutni cu ka ce'u pi'ai ki'ogra mitre snidu te'ai ni'u re ce'u ce'u}<=
/div><div><br></div><div>I've been using {mitre} as a simplification for di=
splacement. Obviously, I'd need to construct some unit selbri for displacem=
ent, then use that in these definitions above to get vectors.</div>


<div><br></div><div>.i mi'e la tsani mu'o</div></div><div><div>

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