=A0pamai mi cusku lu li'o ba'e va'o lo nu lo n= u gismu finti cu se toldicra =A0li'u .i ku'i lo nu gismu finti ca n= a selcru lo catni .i mi na selci'i lo nu finti le gismu caku=A0i ko tin= be la camgusmis
=A0.i remai pe'i do skudji zo mi'a .enai ma'a .i mi mi noroi ju= ndi zo'oru'e .

(Firstly, I said ".../should= / baselining ever be released" But gismu creation is currently not all= owed by the powers-that-be. =A0I am not interested in creating this gismu a= t the current time. =A0You should heed Robin.

=A0 Secondly, I believe you meant "mi'a", not "ma&#= 39;a". =A0I never pay attention to myself.)

=A0

= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa

On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 5:44 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail= .com> wrote:

On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:20:12 PM UTC+4, = Michael Turniansky wrote:
=A0 The lack of a word meaning "not open for business" has been a= topic of discussion many many times in lojban's history. =A0Really, I&= #39;m not sure why there isn't a gismu for it, since it seems to be a v= ery basic concept. =A0That would be very high on personal list for a gismu = should baselining ever be released.

ba'anai do jbocre doi la gejyspa= i seki'u bo ma'a bilga lo nu jundi lo nu jinvi fa do i ji'a la= camgusmis pu cusku fi mi fe zoi gy I disagree with your words "Think = 1000 times before creating new gismu" gy

i seki'ubo e'o do zbasu so'o lo glico xe fanva mupli be lo= gismu poi se smuni simsa zoi gy not open for business gy i ce'o bo mi = stidi tu'a lo cnino gse bacru

I remember y= ou being a jbocre. Therefore, we should take your words into account. Besid= es, Robin told me once "=A0I disagree with your words "Think 1000= times before creating new gismu".

Therefore, please create several english examples of the meaning "= ;not open for business" or similar to it. Then I'll suggest a new = gismu (it's sounding).

=A0

=A0 In any event, if you really think about it, a case could= be made for "spofu (be lo nu cuntu)" for this sense of "clo= sed", since it's not available for its normal purpose. =A0Another = possibility is "se dicra"

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa
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On W= ed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:57 AM, jongausib <so.co...@g= mail.com> wrote:

I suggest:

{c= u'urga'o}: g1 (entrance-way/store/company etc) is closed/shut/not o= pen, preventing access to organized activity g_2=3Dc1, by g₃₌.
{cu'urkalri}: k₁ (portal/passage/entrance-way) is open/ajar/= not shut, permitting passage/access to _g2=3Dk1, by g₃= .

/jongausib

Den m=E5ndagen den 21:e januari 2013 kl. 19:04:3= 9 UTC+1 skrev mudri:

My school was closed due to snow to= day. I attempted to express that fact in Lojban (with a few extras), but go= t stuck on describing that kind of "closed". There are two other = words for different senses of the word ({ganlo} =3D closed passageway; {tol= gubni} =3D closed group/source &c), but there's a bit more to a clo= sed school/shop than the windows and doors being closed.

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