=A0 =A0My objection to using ganlo(/kalri) for these cases= (even in lujvo form) is that the definition seems to be too narrowly defin= ed ("portal/passage/entrance-way" access) =A0That would certainly= be useful in describing one trying to get INTO the school building, but no= t the fact that physical access may be free, but the normal operation is su= spended. =A0That's why I suggested spofu as a more metaphoric sense of = not available for a normal function.=A0

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa

On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Sebastian <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:

Who has said anything= about a new gismu in this case? To me it seems like an ordinary case of lu= jvo-creating.

Just that gejyspa wants to use a more precise veljvo than me.
I think it's understandable enough to use {cu'urga'o} for &qu= ot;closed for business".

mu'omi'e jon= gausib

Skickat fr=E5n min iPhone

31 jan 2013 kl. 11:44 = skrev la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:

On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:20:= 12 PM UTC+4, Michael Turniansky wrote:

=A0 The lack of a word meaning "not open for business= " has been a topic of discussion many many times in lojban's histo= ry. =A0Really, I'm not sure why there isn't a gismu for it, since i= t seems to be a very basic concept. =A0That would be very high on personal = list for a gismu should baselining ever be released.

ba'anai do jbocre doi la gejyspa i sek= i'u bo ma'a bilga lo nu jundi lo nu jinvi fa do i ji'a la camgu= smis pu cusku fi mi fe zoi gy I disagree with your words "Think 1000 t= imes before creating new gismu" gy

i seki'ubo e'o do zbasu so'o lo glico xe fanva mupli be lo= gismu poi se smuni simsa zoi gy not open for business gy i ce'o bo mi = stidi tu'a lo cnino gse bacru

I remember y= ou being a jbocre. Therefore, we should take your words into account. Besid= es, Robin told me once "=A0I disagree with your words "Think 1000= times before creating new gismu".

Therefore, please create several english examples of the meaning "= ;not open for business" or similar to it. Then I'll suggest a new = gismu (it's sounding).

=A0

=A0 In any event, if you really think about it, a case could= be made for "spofu (be lo nu cuntu)" for this sense of "clo= sed", since it's not available for its normal purpose. =A0Another = possibility is "se dicra"

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa
=

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:5= 7 AM, jongausib <so.co...@gmail.com> = wrote:

I suggest:

{cu'urga'o}: g1 (e= ntrance-way/store/company etc) is closed/shut/not open, preventing access t= o organized activity g_2=3Dc1, by g₃.
{cu'urkalri}: k₁ (portal/passage/entrance-way) is open/ajar/= not shut, permitting passage/access to _g2=3Dk1, by g₃= .

/jongausib

Den m=E5ndagen den 21:e januari 2013 kl. 19:04:3= 9 UTC+1 skrev mudri:

My school was closed due to snow to= day. I attempted to express that fact in Lojban (with a few extras), but go= t stuck on describing that kind of "closed". There are two other = words for different senses of the word ({ganlo} =3D closed passageway; {tol= gubni} =3D closed group/source &c), but there's a bit more to a clo= sed school/shop than the windows and doors being closed.

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