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The traitors. (I'm from Ohio.) On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Monday, February 04, 2013 14:37:39 .arpis. wrote: > > Let's suppose I want to say "I hate the Ravens, more so than any other > > sports team." (because them winning caused me to lose sleep). > > > > {.i da'i mi troci cu fanva zo'e sa'a mu'i lo du'u lo nu jinga ku rinka lo > > nu mi na'e raumei sipna} > > > > I can say {lo ni mi xebni lai cipnrkorvo cu zmadu tu'a lo drata ke > > xadykelci'e girzu} or {lai cipnrkorvo lo drata ke xadykelci'e girzu ku > > zmadu lo ni mi xebni ce'u} > > > > Does {mi xebni lai cipnrkorvo se mau tu'a lo drata ke xadykelci'e girzu} > > mean (more or less) the same thing? If not, how does it differ? > > I'd say "mi xebni lai cipnrkorvo pesemau lo drata ke xadykelci'e bende". > Attaching "semau" to the selbri makes it unclear whether you hate the > Ravens > more than you hate other teams, you hate the Ravens more than other teams > do, > or your hatred of the Ravens is more than other teams try to open the door > (or > whatever else tu'a could mean). > > Pierre > -- > loi mintu se ckaji danlu cu jmaji > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --e89a8f6438f22c42cc04d4f16638 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hate the Ravens because they used to be the Browns. The traitors. (I'= m from Ohio.)

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:30= PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
On Monday, February 04, 20= 13 14:37:39 .arpis. wrote:
> Let's suppose I want to say "I hate the Ravens, more so than = any other
> sports team." (because them winning caused me to lose sleep).
>
> {.i da'i mi troci cu fanva zo'e sa'a mu'i lo du'u = lo nu jinga ku rinka lo
> nu mi na'e raumei sipna}
>
> I can say {lo ni mi xebni lai cipnrkorvo cu zmadu tu'a lo drata ke=
> xadykelci'e girzu} or {lai cipnrkorvo lo drata ke xadykelci'e = girzu ku
> zmadu lo ni mi xebni ce'u}
>
> Does {mi xebni lai cipnrkorvo se mau tu'a lo drata ke xadykelci= 9;e girzu}
> mean (more or less) the same thing? If not, how does it differ?

I'd say "mi xebni lai cipnrkorvo pesemau lo drata ke xadykel= ci'e bende".
Attaching "semau" to the selbri makes it unclear whether you hate= the Ravens
more than you hate other teams, you hate the Ravens more than other teams d= o,
or your hatred of the Ravens is more than other teams try to open the door = (or
whatever else tu'a could mean).

Pierre
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loi mintu se ckaji danlu cu jmaji

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