Received: from mail-oa0-f63.google.com ([209.85.219.63]:55885) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1U2beW-0007Pd-S0; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 22:05:18 -0800 Received: by mail-oa0-f63.google.com with SMTP id i18sf2734202oag.28 for ; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 22:05:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf:from:to :subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-transfer-encoding:content-type; bh=mXLTTNQaz50Q4QTEr3M1C6UvmCbJM03EbAwt23Zzzo8=; b=rWvvUqJhpZVLLDy1J1lW+qHp/0I3VAUEWbs05+qOMyUXAkJRKpTqgj/HuBfuEM5rHb ql7OBOwVuPpQ5YlcXgJnbOAJBvngaUZx6kOTdEUpPqfutRkB/PHf1MsvcNEbrHalIGDa gghpkTeCOYXUu1g8SNCGfkfG30ppPdnS2htJsEKMF0PrXa2KkOlkXXdEscp/fuhdlVxg krmnqLLv7/hD+oEtFJTxlDc5XlnawYk4qr1MxgdplOa2bXeFDuZbEcHi6n5EHjbEsptu x1ajHLtrT+zxDmC4GZXWxwcKaf584aavPGbZph1f/bZn9vz0eWkReZgx4+GWtF/9JAow UX0g== X-Received: by 10.49.116.115 with SMTP id jv19mr2040228qeb.21.1360044302045; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 22:05:02 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.0.132 with SMTP id 4ls2161947qee.56.gmail; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 22:05:01 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.246.23 with SMTP id t23mr2734666anh.4.1360044301637; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 22:05:01 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.246.23 with SMTP id t23mr2734665anh.4.1360044301619; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 22:05:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from leopard.ixazon.lan ([2001:470:8:42:6d1d:943f:53df:1f48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id f64si813527yhj.7.2013.02.04.22.05.01; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 22:05:01 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:6d1d:943f:53df:1f48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:6d1d:943f:53df:1f48; Received: from caracal.localnet (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:8:42:c03d:189c:a36e:dc58]) by leopard.ixazon.lan (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AE3A41A for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2013 01:04:56 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] BAI tag clarification Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 01:04:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1365934.asTXKdIYYJ@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-36-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <2676514.QU3hZD0IiE@caracal> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:6d1d:943f:53df:1f48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Monday, February 04, 2013 22:39:13 Jonathan Jones wrote: > Who are the Crows? Are you talking the indigenous tribe of the Americas? > Without going into a rant, I'd just like to say that I very much dislike > the English names for the various tribes and also prefer calling them by > their own name (and therefore would also call them that if I ever had > occasion to talk about them in Lojban). Yes, and Apsaroke (or Absaloge or other combinations thereof - their langua= ge=20 has fewer consonant phonemes) is their name for themselves, or rather what = the=20 Hidatsa (closely related people) call them. It apparently referred to some= =20 sort of corvid, hence the English name. Some other tribal names in Lojban a= re=20 tsalagi (Cherokee), siksika (Blackfoot), and nienke'a (Mohawk), all from=20 autonyms. For the Navajos, I say "bangrnabe'o", "kulnrnabe'o", etc. "Din=E9= " is=20 the autonym, but "Navajo", from a neighboring language, is more widely used= ,=20 and is "Naabeeh=F3" in Navajo. Pierre=20 --=20 When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. J=E1 n=E3o percebe nada, j=E1 n=E3o percebe nada. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den= . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.