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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] search for happiness. {sisku lo selgleki} or
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 Content preview:  On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 12:41:42PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:
    > On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 12:01 PM, v4hn <me@v4hn.de> wrote: > > > On Sat,
    Feb 09, 2013 at 09:53:36AM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > loka gleki
   > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 4:11 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
    > > wrote: > > > > > > > search for happiness. {sisku lo selgleki} or {sisku
    lo ka selgleki}? > > > > > > > > Which translation is correct? > > > > As
    a literal translation, both are wrong. > > Literally it would have to be
   {sisku loka [ka gleki/kamgleki]} or even > > {sisku loka ka mi gleki}, I suppose.
    > > > > You have too many ka's: > > *-ness* > Appended to adjectives to form
    nouns meaning "the state of (the > adjective)", "the quality of (the adjective)",
    or "the measure of (the > adjective)". > > It's the quality of "happy", not
    the quality of the quality of "happy". [...] 
 
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On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 12:41:42PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 12:01 PM, v4hn <me@v4hn.de> wrote:
>=20
> > On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 09:53:36AM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > > loka gleki
> > >
> > > On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 4:11 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > search for happiness. {sisku lo selgleki} or {sisku lo ka selgleki}?
> > > >
> > > > Which translation is correct?
> >
> > As a literal translation, both are wrong.
> > Literally it would have to be {sisku loka [ka gleki/kamgleki]} or even
> > {sisku loka ka mi gleki}, I suppose.
> >
>=20
> You have too many ka's:
>=20
> *-ness*
> Appended to adjectives to form nouns meaning "the state of (the
> adjective)", "the quality of (the adjective)", or "the measure of (the
> adjective)".
>=20
> It's the quality of "happy", not the quality of the quality of "happy".

partly right.

{sisku} requires a property of the thing you are looking for. So if
you're looking for _a property_, you need to define a property which the
property(happyness) exhibits.

{sisku loka gleki ce'u} means "searching for something which makes someone
happy", whereas {sisku loka ce'u ka ce'u gleki} is supposed to mean
"searching for a thing/property which is a property of someone being happy"
or phrased differently "searching for something that is happyness".


v4hn

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