(The choice of li'i and lifri in general for more flexi= bility in the rigid infinitive system requires that the actual association = between the lifri1 and lifri2 possibly be extremely vague, which isn't exac= tly a problem.)

As for your comparison between {gleki lo ka se li'i bro= da} and {klama lo stuzi be ko'a} isn't entirely rational. The "speech cost"= of {ka se li'i} versus the introduction of a whole other selbri and linked= arguments is completely different. {ka se li'i} versus {nu} is only 3 syll= ables (short syllables with no consonant clusters) longer. (At most four, i= f you include the extra kei.) Also, I find it much easier to understa= nd a compound abstractor like this than complex linked arguments.

Also, stuzi1 and stuzi2 are arguably *the same thing*, which can be tr= oubling. Let's take a look at another selbri for comparison. Although it's = experimental, {ditcu} is the best example of this: "x1 is the time-duration= of x2." It turns out that both the x1 and x2 are events, because in Lojban= , there isn't actually a system for representing quantities, so we use obje= cts (or events) as proxies for their relevant properties. That being said, = ditcu simply states an equivalency in the event-bridis' ze'a-tag: {ko'a ko'= e go ditcu gi dunli lo ka makau jai ze'a fasnu fai ce'u}. Now to get back t= o stuzi, does stuzi simply state an equivalency in the objects' bu'u-tag ? = {ko'a ko'e go stuzi gi dunli lo ka makau jai bu'u me ko'a} ? I'm not entire= ly sure. It doesn't really look like it, because that means I get to say th= ings like {.i lo zdani be mi ca stuzi mi}, which shouldn't really make sens= e. However, that being said, *what* kinds of things can we even *put* in st= uzi1 ?

Now, if stuzi1 and stuzi2 are argubly the same thing, then {mi klama l= o stuzi be ko'a} and {mi klama ko'a} are also arguably the same thing. Howe= ver, under my infinitives system, events are not interchangeable with ka-ab= stractions, and there is no way to define an equivalency as I have in the c= ase of stuzi.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

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