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On 20 February 2013 11:13, ianek wrote: > Is the grammatical strangness of this comic intended? {ke'a} outside > relative clause, {ri} when with no previous sumti (except {mi}, which > {ri} can't refer to). That's all I've tried to understand for now. > Those sentences bring to mind popular paradoxes, the first would be > "the smallest integer not describable using eight words", the second > would be Russel's Paradox. But the way they're expressed, they mean > nothing like them. > > mu'o mi'e ianek > > On 20 Lut, 02:17, ".arpis." wrote: > > As some of you may know, MIT host a yearly event called the Mystery Hunt. > > It involves lots of puzzles and is a fun event in my opinion. The last > hunt > > featured a puzzle involving lojban. > > > > Here is a link: > http://web.mit.edu/puzzle/www/2013/coinheist.com/rubik/lojicomix/inde... > > > > I encourage you to try to solve the puzzle (It was written with the > intent > > that people who did not know lojban before starting the puzzle be able to > > figure it out) before clicking on the solution link, and not to spoil the > > solution publicly on the mailing list. > > > > -- > > mu'o mi'e .arpis. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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I think I get it now.


On 20 February 2013 11:13, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:
Is the grammatical strangness of this comic intended? {ke'a} outside
relative clause, {ri} when with no previous sumti (except {mi}, which
{ri} can't refer to). That's all I've tried to understand for now.
Those sentences bring to mind popular paradoxes, the first would be
"the smallest integer not describable using eight words", the second
would be Russel's Paradox. But the way they're expressed, they mean
nothing like them.

mu'o mi'e ianek

On 20 Lut, 02:17, ".arpis." <rpglover64+jbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As some of you may know, MIT host a yearly event called the Mystery Hunt.
> It involves lots of puzzles and is a fun event in my opinion. The last hunt
> featured a puzzle involving lojban.
>
> Here is a link:http://web.mit.edu/puzzle/www/2013/coinheist.com/rubik/lojicomix/inde...
>
> I encourage you to try to solve the puzzle (It was written with the intent
> that people who did not know lojban before starting the puzzle be able to
> figure it out) before clicking on the solution link, and not to spoil the
> solution publicly on the mailing list.
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .arpis.

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