Received: from mail-we0-f186.google.com ([74.125.82.186]:34952) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UBCmW-0004dN-Rq; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:21:07 -0800 Received: by mail-we0-f186.google.com with SMTP id k14sf834207wer.23 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:20:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf:date:from :to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=ii5SUvuOnqqzlre+zmNrc79POGe7QLx1JCthtzgFsGY=; b=K4beH6PX3ywt2T0rn4lM2cCnB6OsIHA21EAL7OnObJQEo9DEK31T4VI7tDHjAMMhAD 2l6HmtWSyiLuwk5Ck27NQwz8Z7ShiDTNAnegUw0V4Xfp0iBPi1WmR7JSzsbndotOzhEK qku+2R8nsrTuGvdBO/av6TB/zEqQu62XTlH1lRRSST4g/OdE/O9yXV5wcNA16ZYvnDeJ 8u+6Iw2NX6cop3GqZ/yLIwyfZTu2wbbUeOVBQM+BH+ebfewbheequ7qXgM4WLPkKXcm8 NMTSNbzkqXGdxhHhNPCAZmto4pbxgRvXd/4iQLLEyY449nfsdT5FB6ToLuKaf0uRZHdu bnqA== X-Received: by 10.180.19.66 with SMTP id c2mr76491wie.4.1362093646714; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:20:46 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.90.35 with SMTP id bt3ls1228568wib.3.canary; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:20:45 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.149.138 with SMTP id x10mr8077205eej.5.1362093645008; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:20:45 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.149.138 with SMTP id x10mr8077203eej.5.1362093644999; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:20:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from dd17822.kasserver.com (dd17822.kasserver.com. [85.13.138.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6si2521087eej.0.2013.02.28.15.20.44 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:20:44 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) client-ip=85.13.138.119; Received: from samsa (brln-4dbc0227.pool.mediaWays.net [77.188.2.39]) by dd17822.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 39DF2865057 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2013 00:20:44 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 00:20:43 +0100 From: v4hn To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] On "by standard x" Message-ID: <20130228232043.GE2801@samsa.fritz.box> References: <20130121164434.GB4839@samsa.fritz.box> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7uYPyRQQ5N0D02nI" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: me@v4hn.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) smtp.mail=me@v4hn.de Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --7uYPyRQQ5N0D02nI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 01:48:00PM -0500, Michael Turniansky wrote: > On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 11:44 AM, v4hn wrote: > > Take {fenki} for example which is defined as > > > > x1 (action/event) is crazy/insane/mad/frantic/in a > > frenzy (one sense) by standard x2 > > [...] > > Phrasing it differently, which standard > > do these places represent: A standard of _judgement_ > > or a standard of _comparison_? >=20 > In the particular gismu you cite, I would say "standard of judgment" > --gejyspa >=20 Finally someone has an opinion about it, ki'e la gejyspa I really hope this does not depend on any particular gismu, because all these places are phrased the very same. Therefore, I would like to have one accepted interpretation of them. Also, given these places have one meaning, how would one phrase the other meaning accordingly? v4hn --7uYPyRQQ5N0D02nI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlEv5ksACgkQMBKLZs4+wjyYPwCfX2wtHZYlOYYU/rhafLvEhTSJ D/IAoIbSML/bG1bOXNyNWyYa8FSq4LeA =J18P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7uYPyRQQ5N0D02nI--