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On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:03 PM, spitaki <create.blank@gmail.com> wrote:

> But that's so ambiguous, and the friggen point of lojban is to do away
> with ambiguity in every way!
>

No it isn't. The point is to remove /syntactic/ ambiguity, not /semantic/.


> On Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:53:25 AM UTC-7, tsani wrote:
>
>> On 21 January 2013 13:04, mudri <jammya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My school was closed due to snow today. I attempted to express that fact
>>> in Lojban (with a few extras), but got stuck on describing that kind of
>>> "closed". There are two other words for different senses of the word
>>> ({ganlo} = closed passageway; {tolgubni} = closed group/source &c), but
>>> there's a bit more to a closed school/shop than the windows and doors being
>>> closed.
>>
>>
>> Although it's not a totally satisfactory solution, you can simply use
>> {na}.
>> .i ri'agi snime carmi gi na ckule "Because of the snow, there was no
>> school." (Now, to actually say that it was cancelled, you could use {sei lo
>> jatna cu jdice} in the second bridi.)
>> .i ze'a lo nicte na zarci (This one is weirder:) "When it's night, it's
>> not a store." This might seem a bit weird, but it makes sense. A store
>> that's closed is a store you can't buy from, and is thus not a store
>> anymore. This about it though, what I actually said for the school is
>> "With-physical-cause snow, it's not a school."
>>
>> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o
>>
>>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:03 PM, spitaki <span d=
ir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:create.blank@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">=
create.blank@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex">
But that&#39;s so ambiguous, and the friggen point of lojban is to do away =
with ambiguity in every way!=A0<br></blockquote><div><br>No it isn&#39;t. T=
he point is to remove /syntactic/ ambiguity, not /semantic/.<br>=A0</div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:53:25 AM UTC-7, tsani wrote:<div class=3D"H=
OEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 21 Janu=
ary 2013 13:04, mudri <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a>jammya...@gmail.com</a>&gt;<=
/span> wrote:<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

My school was closed due to snow today. I attempted to express that fact in=
 Lojban (with a few extras), but got stuck on describing that kind of &quot=
;closed&quot;. There are two other words for different senses of the word (=
{ganlo} =3D closed passageway; {tolgubni} =3D closed group/source &amp;c), =
but there&#39;s a bit more to a closed school/shop than the windows and doo=
rs being closed.=A0</blockquote>


<div><br></div><div>Although it&#39;s not a totally satisfactory solution, =
you can simply use {na}.=A0</div><div>.i ri&#39;agi snime carmi gi na ckule=
 &quot;Because of the snow, there was no school.&quot; (Now, to actually sa=
y that it was cancelled, you could use {sei lo jatna cu jdice} in the secon=
d bridi.)</div>


<div>.i ze&#39;a lo nicte na zarci (This one is weirder:) &quot;When it&#39=
;s night, it&#39;s not a store.&quot; This might seem a bit weird, but it m=
akes sense. A store that&#39;s closed is a store you can&#39;t buy from, an=
d is thus not a store anymore. This about it though, what I actually said f=
or the school is &quot;With-physical-cause snow, it&#39;s not a school.&quo=
t;</div>


<div><br></div><div>.i mi&#39;e la tsani mu&#39;o</div><div>=A0</div></div>=
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