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On Saturday, March 2, 2013 10:18:07 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:03 PM, spitaki <create...@gmail.com<javascript:>
> > wrote:
>
>> But that's so ambiguous, and the friggen point of lojban is to do away 
>> with ambiguity in every way! 
>>
>
> No it isn't. The point is to remove /syntactic/ ambiguity, not /semantic/.
>

Can't lojban remove or increase semantic ambiguity too?
Well, closed/open is also very often found in computer related terminology. 
In both cases I suggested {jai pruce} or alternatively {akti} = "x1 is 
active in x2 [activity]".

so what is your opinion of {lo ckule na jai pruce} and {lo selsampla ku jai 
pruce} (the app is running)?


 
>
>> On Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:53:25 AM UTC-7, tsani wrote:
>>
>>> On 21 January 2013 13:04, mudri <jammya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My school was closed due to snow today. I attempted to express that 
>>>> fact in Lojban (with a few extras), but got stuck on describing that kind 
>>>> of "closed". There are two other words for different senses of the word 
>>>> ({ganlo} = closed passageway; {tolgubni} = closed group/source &c), but 
>>>> there's a bit more to a closed school/shop than the windows and doors being 
>>>> closed. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Although it's not a totally satisfactory solution, you can simply use 
>>> {na}. 
>>> .i ri'agi snime carmi gi na ckule "Because of the snow, there was no 
>>> school." (Now, to actually say that it was cancelled, you could use {sei lo 
>>> jatna cu jdice} in the second bridi.)
>>> .i ze'a lo nicte na zarci (This one is weirder:) "When it's night, it's 
>>> not a store." This might seem a bit weird, but it makes sense. A store 
>>> that's closed is a store you can't buy from, and is thus not a store 
>>> anymore. This about it though, what I actually said for the school is 
>>> "With-physical-cause snow, it's not a school."
>>>
>>> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o
>>>  
>>>
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<br><br>On Saturday, March 2, 2013 10:18:07 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:<blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left=
: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar=
 1, 2013 at 11:03 PM, spitaki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:"=
 target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"rt_MJVw6MocJ">create...@gmail.c=
om</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
But that's so ambiguous, and the friggen point of lojban is to do away with=
 ambiguity in every way!&nbsp;<br></blockquote><div><br>No it isn't. The po=
int is to remove /syntactic/ ambiguity, not /semantic/.<br></div></div></bl=
ockquote><div><br></div><div>Can't lojban remove or increase semantic ambig=
uity too?</div><div>Well, closed/open is also very often found in computer =
related terminology. In both cases I suggested {jai pruce} or alternatively=
 {akti} =3D "x1 is active in x2 [activity]".</div><div><br></div><div>so wh=
at is your opinion of {lo ckule na jai pruce} and {lo selsampla ku jai pruc=
e} (the app is running)?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>&nbsp;</div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:53:25 AM UTC-7, tsani wrote:<div><div><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 21 January 2013 13:04, mudri <span di=
r=3D"ltr">&lt;<a>jammya...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

My school was closed due to snow today. I attempted to express that fact in=
 Lojban (with a few extras), but got stuck on describing that kind of "clos=
ed". There are two other words for different senses of the word ({ganlo} =
=3D closed passageway; {tolgubni} =3D closed group/source &amp;c), but ther=
e's a bit more to a closed school/shop than the windows and doors being clo=
sed.&nbsp;</blockquote>


<div><br></div><div>Although it's not a totally satisfactory solution, you =
can simply use {na}.&nbsp;</div><div>.i ri'agi snime carmi gi na ckule "Bec=
ause of the snow, there was no school." (Now, to actually say that it was c=
ancelled, you could use {sei lo jatna cu jdice} in the second bridi.)</div>


<div>.i ze'a lo nicte na zarci (This one is weirder:) "When it's night, it'=
s not a store." This might seem a bit weird, but it makes sense. A store th=
at's closed is a store you can't buy from, and is thus not a store anymore.=
 This about it though, what I actually said for the school is "With-physica=
l-cause snow, it's not a school."</div>


<div><br></div><div>.i mi'e la tsani mu'o</div><div>&nbsp;</div></div><br>
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