Received: from mail-lb0-f184.google.com ([209.85.217.184]:36638) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UDA7V-00008D-HJ; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 00:54:47 -0800 Received: by mail-lb0-f184.google.com with SMTP id ge1sf3036815lbb.21 for ; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 00:54:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=0aAMnTQRaWcsGAl3R34BJEDFyh/vgjYMPUEjovzgKzc=; b=nWnXxfimmCUgXz0hOuYMYN19cJtBFq5vtHroeU+y/JTppM1FNXCIV3VLByrRkikBqB FPG4OMqksdEqruEtBu33FcFoIRdHzw8tHDj3U+6yiPNbpYMqCRlVdp9AlE0ttNvHJc5S ZL4ExctIlikv53WvQa196Dq+/uIwLl5aoL+SnZvPsatVmKTnPHLHV2CXyQ3yNQZ7ketP FJMuETvs+AY/XiI1miu8gs59D27PoIoJvEj9Rze1quSYew8uFMsEDwGQTOviYIWuU314 YhzPurmwYd34H8+Q+SFS8lGxUYGMsLk2eLBirA5ewwZ7ANtIp5tjLQmVXGTaXEW3ju0u tSkw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=0aAMnTQRaWcsGAl3R34BJEDFyh/vgjYMPUEjovzgKzc=; b=PT+EBVaXgu0UXGjkq4Apt6fiKFL4zQ0lf+RLS26fC9QMNmlkVIFzxYvcVvN+wibQN9 FpFwhD8kDASR0LAZcAFYCuRy9aX61EpWMOvN7Fw4AEa501AAae0rhQRJ/pey2SIUDYhx AeWvxz2yCf91io4a2slTAwwdx5cxQStzIgv5lBKhftGJ4H9P8wQibA9q8/SDbKqkaWVw MQ4nK0W38qc5+RgWwufM9+G2ASbHsXrir5374fMzYCjlkaTpW3gMtAq9COADSUKhNlCf Cv3DjNQ+MuvLTsVFi8f1L0Zytd4YPCeTUj+aoiZJzAURiebERx7zGrrLVu59SDt+/LE7 pEvA== X-Received: by 10.180.73.10 with SMTP id h10mr2123897wiv.0.1362560073052; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 00:54:33 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.7.196 with SMTP id l4ls120460wia.1.canary; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 00:54:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.180.89.133 with SMTP id bo5mr3818835wib.6.1362560072531; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 00:54:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wg0-f53.google.com (mail-wg0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ev17si751486wid.0.2013.03.06.00.54.32 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Mar 2013 00:54:32 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.53; Received: by mail-wg0-f53.google.com with SMTP id fn15so6943848wgb.8 for ; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 00:54:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.103.167 with SMTP id fx7mr24091609wib.15.1362560072420; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 00:54:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.29.202 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 00:54:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.29.202 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 00:54:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20130306082228.GH28629@samsa.fritz.box> References: <26109c69-7826-4420-9b39-18b7bb0d35fa@googlegroups.com> <20130306082228.GH28629@samsa.fritz.box> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 01:54:32 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] lo ve tivni From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044286741a16fe04d73dbd3d X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d044286741a16fe04d73dbd3d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mar 6, 2013 1:22 AM, "v4hn" wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 09:57:35PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > On Mar 5, 2013 9:03 PM, "Junpe OKAU" wrote: > > > > > > je'e ki'e .ui sai > > > > > > So, can you say {la'o zoi YouTube zoi cu tivni la'o zoi Lojban > > Promotional Video zoi la'o zoi LogicalLanguageGroup zoi lo skami}? > > > > No, because YouTube isn't a television broadcast. That's video delivered > > via internet, not via radio waves. > > > > I suppose there is a "in medium" place in {tevni} for a reason. > Though YouTube violates some assumtions about broadcasting, like > sending a fixed program, And, you know, broadcasting, which is the transmission of audio and/or video by modulating the frequency and/or amplitude of an electromagnetic wave being sent from a radio transmitter. la.iutub. benji lo skina lo mi skami fu lo kibro (Related to this, I think skina should refer to any length of video, which means the English gloss "film" is misleading.) > I would still count it as {tevni} with > {lo kibro} in the {fi} place. > > > mi'e la .van. mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. 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On Mar 6, 2013 1:22 AM, "v4hn" <me@v4hn.de> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 09:57:35PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > On Mar 5, 2013 9:03 PM, "Junpe OKAU" <nergdnila@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > je'e ki'e .ui sai
> > >
> > > So, can you say {la'o zoi YouTube zoi cu tivni la'o zoi Lojban
> > Promotional Video zoi la'o zoi LogicalLanguageGroup zoi lo skami}?
> >
> > No, because YouTube isn't a television broadcast. That's video delivered
> > via internet, not via radio waves.
> >
>
> I suppose there is a "in medium" place in {tevni} for a reason.
> Though YouTube violates some assumtions about broadcasting, like
> sending a fixed program,

And, you know, broadcasting, which is the transmission of audio and/or video by modulating the frequency and/or amplitude of an electromagnetic wave being sent from a radio transmitter.

la.iutub. benji lo skina lo mi skami fu lo kibro

(Related to this, I think skina should refer to any length of video, which means the English gloss "film" is misleading.)

> I would still count it as {tevni} with
> {lo kibro} in the {fi} place.
>
>
> mi'e la .van. mu'o

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