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On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 2:39 AM, v4hn <me@v4hn.de> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 01:54:32AM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > On Mar 6, 2013 1:22 AM, "v4hn" <me@v4hn.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 09:57:35PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > > > On Mar 5, 2013 9:03 PM, "Junpe OKAU" <nergdnila@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > je'e ki'e .ui sai
> > > > >
> > > > > So, can you say {la'o zoi YouTube zoi cu tivni la'o zoi Lojban
> > > > Promotional Video zoi la'o zoi LogicalLanguageGroup zoi lo skami}?
> > > >
> > > > No, because YouTube isn't a television broadcast. That's video
> delivered
> > > > via internet, not via radio waves.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I suppose there is a "in medium" place in {tevni} for a reason.
> > > Though YouTube violates some assumtions about broadcasting, like
> > > sending a fixed program,
> >
> > And, you know, broadcasting, which is the transmission of audio and/or
> > video by modulating the frequency and/or amplitude of an electromagnetic
> > wave being sent from a radio transmitter.
> >
>
> ... which is only the third definition of "broadcast (verb trans.)"
>

It's the first definition on Collins English
Dictionary<http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/broadcast>
, Vocabulary.com <http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/broadcast>, MacMillan
Dictionary<http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/broadcast>,
Wiktionary <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/broadcast>,
Dictionary.com<http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/broadcast>,
and pretty much any other dictionary you'd care to look up, and it's the
SECOND in Merriam-Webster<http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/broadcast>,
not the third.


> on Merriam Webster, where the first two are
>
> 1: to scatter or sow (as seed) over a broad area
> 2: to make widely known
>

Which doesn't matter, since Lojban words can only have one meaning, and it
is obvious that the sense of broadcast which is tivni is radio transmission
one.


> This is compatible with video streaming sites in my opinion.
>
> > la.iutub. benji lo skina lo mi skami fu lo kibro
> >
>
> Sure, {tivni} always implies some {benji}.
>
>
> v4hn
>



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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 2:39 AM, v4hn <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:me@v4hn.de" target=3D"_blank">me@v4hn.de</a>=
&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 01:54:32AM -0700, Jonathan Jones =
wrote:<br>
&gt; On Mar 6, 2013 1:22 AM, &quot;v4hn&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:me@v4hn=
.de">me@v4hn.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 09:57:35PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:<b=
r>
&gt; &gt; &gt; On Mar 5, 2013 9:03 PM, &quot;Junpe OKAU&quot; &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:nergdnila@gmail.com">nergdnila@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; je&#39;e ki&#39;e .ui sai<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; So, can you say {la&#39;o zoi YouTube zoi cu tivni la&#=
39;o zoi Lojban<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Promotional Video zoi la&#39;o zoi LogicalLanguageGroup zoi =
lo skami}?<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; No, because YouTube isn&#39;t a television broadcast. That&#=
39;s video delivered<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; via internet, not via radio waves.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; I suppose there is a &quot;in medium&quot; place in {tevni} for a=
 reason.<br>
&gt; &gt; Though YouTube violates some assumtions about broadcasting, like<=
br>
&gt; &gt; sending a fixed program,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; And, you know, broadcasting, which is the transmission of audio and/or=
<br>
&gt; video by modulating the frequency and/or amplitude of an electromagnet=
ic<br>
&gt; wave being sent from a radio transmitter.<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</div>... which is only the third definition of &quot;broadcast (verb trans=
.)&quot;<br></blockquote><div><br>It&#39;s the first definition on <a href=
=3D"http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/broadcast">Collins =
English Dictionary</a>,=A0<a href=3D"http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/b=
roadcast">Vocabulary.com</a>,=A0<a href=3D"http://www.macmillandictionary.c=
om/dictionary/american/broadcast">MacMillan Dictionary</a>,=A0 <a href=3D"h=
ttp://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/broadcast">Wiktionary</a>, <a href=3D"http://d=
ictionary.reference.com/browse/broadcast">Dictionary.com</a>, and pretty mu=
ch any other dictionary you&#39;d care to look up, and it&#39;s the SECOND =
in <a href=3D"http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/broadcast">Merriam-=
Webster</a>, not the third.<br>
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
on Merriam Webster, where the first two are<br>
<br>
1: to scatter or sow (as seed) over a broad area<br>
2: to make widely known<br></blockquote><div><br>Which doesn&#39;t matter, =
since Lojban words can only have one meaning, and it is obvious that the se=
nse of broadcast which is tivni is radio transmission one.<br>=A0</div><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left:1ex">

This is compatible with video streaming sites in my opinion.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt; la.iutub. benji lo skina lo mi skami fu lo kibro<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</div>Sure, {tivni} always implies some {benji}.<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
v4hn<br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o =
mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi=
.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father=
. :D )<br>

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