Received: from mail-gg0-f192.google.com ([209.85.161.192]:36109) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UGgOX-0001l3-0a; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 18:58:55 -0700 Received: by mail-gg0-f192.google.com with SMTP id i25sf1419837ggk.29 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 18:58:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:from:to:subject:date :message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=SeRKGfjjF5DdRFUAaPQxTHWxpIGMHdP+NGLpFfuIWLw=; b=xoKEriJk7EAmAjMM964qaAqOE1K+tbL2Wfg7m92dBIeGSonkEu2uZqbB0wBD/v/yUC IGqW+dXSEWlr9YYTRJNegggotic5Jmv4esYq2tUE5jU6jr2oI3lIL0YN+fyaHVPXU/El H/Mi1NthYDV0Tg0xtstif3I9ffioCFRb/xD2ZPhnhPo0UrrfL65UAPrAhSiuuQ2I39nu JDZoJEtq4O9hM/m0F2tFZ+dzhsry9cVgu+XldTUr3JCNzb45omK0nfpq05RcOmOoQn+W Eanq+7BEK2eiZ1aiNB5Zcwv83++MRhLfmB2CQEVx6bLCkRAnvbv3OmM8rt/uNu5mcpD6 8qNQ== X-Received: by 10.49.98.161 with SMTP id ej1mr758970qeb.31.1363399121793; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 18:58:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.62.230 with SMTP id b6ls661644qes.28.gmail; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 18:58:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.52.71.7 with SMTP id q7mr4786629vdu.3.1363399121163; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 18:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leopard.ixazon.lan ([2001:470:8:42:bcb3:c1ed:243b:775]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id f64si1012537yhj.7.2013.03.15.18.58.40; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 18:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:bcb3:c1ed:243b:775 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:bcb3:c1ed:243b:775; Received: from caracal.localnet (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:8:42:203e:7336:21db:6b9f]) by leopard.ixazon.lan (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D4AD509 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 21:58:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Tanru Grouping. Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 21:58:39 -0400 Message-ID: <1543210.83GrZAb9BI@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-38-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <103c43e9-c3fd-4059-aaee-83f79ad0a8fd@googlegroups.com> References: <103c43e9-c3fd-4059-aaee-83f79ad0a8fd@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:bcb3:c1ed:243b:775 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Friday, March 15, 2013 16:46:40 DEmi, en wrote: > I have a quick question about tanru grouping. Quoting the wave lessons: > "Tanru are grouped from left to right, so this tanru is understood: ((*vajni > merko*) *skami*) *te vecnu*, a buyer of computers for important Americans." > > Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that *'mi vajni merko skami te vecnu' > *means something like 'I am an important-American type of computer which > buys things that are sold'?* Lo skami te vecnu could be a buyer of computers, a buyer that is a computer, or a buyer who uses computers. The computers could be for important Americans, they could be American, which is important, or they could be made by important Americans. Tanru are semantically ambiguous. Pierre -- .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.