Received: from mail-yh0-f57.google.com ([209.85.213.57]:52734) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1ULYF8-0004HU-O0; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 05:17:30 -0700 Received: by mail-yh0-f57.google.com with SMTP id q1sf18441yhf.12 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 05:17:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Vrf12uosLWYy8SwIqMCl+xbLVhpxi30kFZIbSZONfTs=; b=dCJeZK1Lyg/Ie0FA/9VrX+gQ7XW3DykhotrgUnO6mfIN4mXDeEID275DsI47e3BkLs 73CrJxBe0+4CaCJIl0qPb4MrgvmEKUg7JuVG/uJywfApVkKIrRg/EsfQtLgLA/5DCSUL KN0T0xvZI2Nm1PpVoaskBeIF9LYHxnlYTA4iDO8vpHIMx2YK4cZtsGYSAQETSoIBor2c d0rw8jqm2shu+efe8u6e2Zb2yPJgSo+sM8OR0gbBHqz+DQbFtVlQ8HzCjOQaRK/WRlay gU86Jz6KMGi1jlS6SVwvQ8z0Z/3xAZpScY2jgxTNniiCq5oF2qpHo5zALi6/3PZuX6WB sJQg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Vrf12uosLWYy8SwIqMCl+xbLVhpxi30kFZIbSZONfTs=; b=zraJC8ghtOF6JwFNrVdGg6YoAJb8HW6aQId3ooWyBPhbuV/v898dyjR6uAmzDPfC04 jeant5QUbx8WMRFAkPU551zllEYIw1fwVZpFlwL6IINIo1t2ovc14+x71u/E6Jrws3cO Pqr8iSa4zRDrDIC59ZrkI+uqhNZwEzO2U9g7W7fzrt77U3LTzVKayJi+EI183n9duV8Y IWpIJaWV+D7BjyaSNlwc5hwvm79BjvuMR9vsEfZ1Tl6TRT/5HF+1KmRdq0PElXSE20lK ZeHJpX178GuZpvuV6cUvwK8fHC6YypiSFW6LIom/Qiy5OjpSB1APMojX35OLh3ePFkBK XUBA== X-Received: by 10.49.29.99 with SMTP id j3mr106933qeh.38.1364559426365; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 05:17:06 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.50.226 with SMTP id f2ls239860qeo.13.gmail; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 05:17:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.49.49.193 with SMTP id w1mr112499qen.3.1364559425600; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 05:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 05:17:05 -0700 (PDT) From: la gleki To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <9e6b6312-493f-49be-89d9-76002e888f79@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <374dce10-c5a1-4a78-9966-53931b281173@googlegroups.com> <20130328202536.GI6592@samsa.fritz.box> <8f0f63e5-63f5-497b-b4ef-d978f77c0761@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: A question about the sentences understanding in Lojban MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_743_3467189.1364559425278" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_743_3467189.1364559425278 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Friday, March 29, 2013 3:34:12 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 3:26 AM, la gleki > > wrote: > >> On Friday, March 29, 2013 9:32:38 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:57 PM, la gleki wrote: >>> >>>> On Friday, March 29, 2013 12:40:44 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Jacob Errington wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 28 March 2013 16:25, v4hn wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 02:04:31PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>>>>>> > There are, however, exceptions to this, which is why >>>>>>> > many of us have the desire to enumerate and then expel >>>>>>> > the exceptions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> By the way, is there already a documented list of outliers >>>>>>> which should be changed? People go on and on about that >>>>>>> issue, but I didn't see a real list yet (though I also didn't search >>>>>>> for it - There is just never a link in any of the respective posts). >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/**BPF**K+Section%3A+gismu+Issues >>>>>> >>>>>> Although this page has a lot of old, irrelevant content now. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you're talking about the regularization within semantic >>>>>> categories, such a list hasn't yet been produced, I think, probably due to >>>>>> the lack of a complete semantic categorization of gismu. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Last I heard, gleki was working on building that. >>>>> >>>> >>>> No one can sto you from building alternative lists which is even >>>> preferable. >>>> >>> >>> You mean other than my complete lack of desire to do so? >>> >> >> Lojbanic syndrom of laziness? .i'u >> > > More like programmer's symptom of not-duplication of effort. > ju'o every time you categorise gismu you get a totally new result due to the nature of semantics. > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Friday, March 29, 2013 3:34:12 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 3:26 AM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, March 29, 2013 9:32:38 AM UTC+4, = aionys wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10= :57 PM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, March 29, 2013 12:40:44 AM UTC+4,= aionys wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Jacob Errington= <nict...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 28 March 2013 16:25, v4hn <m...@v4hn.d= e> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 02:04:31PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> There are, however, exceptions to this, which is why
> many of us have the desire to enumerate and then expel
> the exceptions.

By the way, is there already a documented list of outliers
which should be changed? People go on and on about that
issue, but I didn't see a real list yet (though I also didn't search
for it - There is just never a link in any of the respective posts).


Although this page has a lot of old, irrelevant content= now.

If you're talking about the regularization w= ithin semantic categories, such a list hasn't yet been produced, I think, p= robably due to the lack of a complete semantic categorization of gismu.

Last I heard, gleki was working on building tha= t.

No one can sto you= from building alternative lists which is even  preferable. 

You mean other than my complete lac= k of desire to do so?

Lojbanic syndrom of laziness? .i'u

More like programmer's symptom of not-duplication of e= ffort.

ju'o e= very time you categorise gismu you get a totally new result due to the natu= re of semantics.
 

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.
=
.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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