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On Sunday, April 7, 2013 2:21:48 PM UTC+4, guskant wrote:
>
>
>
> Le dimanche 7 avril 2013 16:10:25 UTC+9, la gleki a =E9crit :
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, April 7, 2013 10:49:03 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 12:32 AM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, April 7, 2013 1:29:55 AM UTC+4, guskant wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Le dimanche 7 avril 2013 06:12:29 UTC+9, LordDraqo a =E9crit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you try "fi la lojban ku tavla"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I don't need to try it, but {fi la lojban ku tavla} means "talk about=
=20
>>>>> Lojban". I meant {fiku} with no sumti should be x3, and a terbri next=
 to it=20
>>>>> should be x4, but jbofi'e doesn't parse it as I expected.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was wondering about that in past as well. I can't find that thread=
=20
>>>> now but the funny thing is that=20
>>>> {fizo'e la lojban tavla} does what you need.
>>>>
>>>
>>> so does
>>>
>>> {fo la.lojban. tavla}
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> {la.lojban. ve tavla}
>>>
>>
>> I guess guskant is searching for stylistic diversity which is indeed=20
>> present here.
>> Like
>> in {fizo'e la lojban tavla} {la lojban} is tavla4.
>> But in {fizo'e tavla la lojban} {la lojban} is now tavla2 !!!
>>
>> BTW, here is the old thread=20
>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/ZBpL4xoUwgQ/discussion
>>
>
> ki'e gleki for the info. My problem is however a bit different from yours=
.
>
> From your problem, I see jbofi'e forgets the places assigned by FA when a=
=20
> selbri appears, and after the selbri, the default place structure is=20
> applied. I would like to say it bothers mi'a who are not familiar with=20
> European languages


wait how is it connected with european languages??? And how are other=20
languages compared to european ones supposed to work?

=20

> and should be a bug, but my actual point is something other.
>
> According to jbofi'e, {fi ku la lojban tavla} means "Lojban is talker."
> Even if {fi ku} doesn't mean /anything/, it is not a valid reason for=20
> ignoring the usual rule "that after a FA-tagged sumti, any sumti followin=
g=20
> it occupy the places numerically succeeding it, subject to the proviso th=
at=20
> an already-filled place is skipped" described in CLL9.3.
> Even {fi zi'o la lojban tavla} is parsed as "talk in Lojban" that I=20
> expected. Why not {fi ku}?
>
>
>

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<br><br>On Sunday, April 7, 2013 2:21:48 PM UTC+4, guskant wrote:<blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: =
1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><br><br>Le dimanche 7 avril 2013 16:10:2=
5 UTC+9, la gleki a =E9crit&nbsp;:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
><br><br>On Sunday, April 7, 2013 10:49:03 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:<blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote">On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 12:32 AM, la gleki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a>gle=
ki.is...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>On Sunday, April 7, =
2013 1:29:55 AM UTC+4, guskant wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g-left:1ex">
Le dimanche 7 avril 2013 06:12:29 UTC+9, LordDraqo a =E9crit&nbsp;:<blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px=
 solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Did you try "fi =
la lojban ku tavla"?</div>
<div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don't need to try it, but=
 {fi la lojban ku tavla} means "talk about Lojban". I meant {fiku} with no =
sumti should be x3, and a terbri next to it should be x4, but jbofi'e doesn=
't parse it as I expected.</div>
</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I was wondering about that in past a=
s well. I can't find that thread now but the funny thing is that&nbsp;</div=
><div>{fizo'e la lojban tavla} does what you need.</div></blockquote>
<div><br><div><div><div>so does<br><br></div>{fo la.lojban. tavla}<br><br><=
/div>and<br><br></div>{la.lojban. ve tavla}<br></div></div></div></div></bl=
ockquote><div><br></div><div>I guess guskant is searching for stylistic div=
ersity which is indeed present here.</div><div>Like</div><div>in {fizo'e la=
 lojban tavla} {la lojban} is tavla4.</div><div>But in {fizo'e tavla la loj=
ban} {la lojban} is now tavla2 !!!</div><div><br></div><div>BTW, here is th=
e old thread&nbsp;<a href=3D"https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/ZBpL4=
xoUwgQ/discussion" target=3D"_blank">https://groups.google.<wbr>com/d/topic=
/lojban/<wbr>ZBpL4xoUwgQ/discussion</a></div><div></div></blockquote><div><=
br></div>ki'e gleki for the info. My problem is however a bit different fro=
m yours.<br><br>From your problem, I see jbofi'e forgets the places assigne=
d by FA when a selbri appears, and after the selbri, the default place stru=
cture is applied. I would like to say it bothers mi'a who are not familiar =
with European languages</blockquote><div><br></div><div>wait how is it conn=
ected with european languages??? And how are other languages compared to eu=
ropean ones supposed to work?<br></div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;</div><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-=
left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"> and should be a bug, but my actua=
l point is something other.<br><br>According to jbofi'e, {fi ku la lojban t=
avla} means "Lojban is talker."<br>Even if {fi ku} doesn't mean /anything/,=
 it is not a valid reason for ignoring the usual rule "that after a FA-tagg=
ed sumti, any sumti following it occupy the places numerically succeeding i=
t, subject to the proviso that an already-filled place is skipped" describe=
d in CLL9.3.<br>Even {fi zi'o la lojban tavla} is parsed as "talk in Lojban=
" that I expected. Why not {fi ku}?<br><br><br></blockquote>

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