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This is an idea that came to me a few days ago. Sorry if it's already been=
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suggested or already exists, or if this is the wrong place (the lojban=20
GGroup throws an error (#554) if I try to post there) or I've committed=20
some faux pas.

I think there should be a cmavo for quoting a gesture or graphical symbol.=
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I'll call it {zo'ai} by analogy to {zo'oi} but with the =E2=80=98a=E2=80=99=
 of {xance} and=20
{sinxa}. It could have selma'o KOhA, unless it needs something zo'oi-like=
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for written symbols.

Slightly more formally, the end of {zo'ai} begins the quote, and the next=
=20
spoken/orthographical word ends it. Here are two equivalent examples:

   - la'e zo'ai (*points right*) smuni zo pritu
   - la'e zo'ai =E2=86=92 smuni zo pritu

It does break AVI (audio-visual isomorphism), but when talking about, say,=
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sign language (without using a specialist notation), it will be broken=20
anyway (probably more so, since the written version will refer to an image=
=20
outside the text). To stick closer to AVI, maybe {zo'ai} should accept=20
{sei} (or at least some SEI) afterwards to allow a description of the=20
action, which overrides any action observed in case of conflict. So we get:

   - la'e zo'ai sei pritu degja'o cu smuni zo pritu
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This is an idea that came to me a few days ago. Sorry if it's already been =
suggested or already exists, or if this is the wrong place (the lojban GGro=
up throws an error (#554) if I try to post there) or I've committed some fa=
ux pas.<div><br></div><div>I think there should be a cmavo for quoting a ge=
sture or graphical symbol. I'll call it {zo'ai} by analogy to {zo'oi} but w=
ith the =E2=80=98a=E2=80=99 of {xance} and {sinxa}. It could have selma'o K=
OhA, unless it needs something zo'oi-like for written symbols.<div><br></di=
v><div>Slightly more formally, the end of {zo'ai} begins the quote, and the=
 next spoken/orthographical word ends it. Here are two equivalent examples:=
</div><div><ul><li><span style=3D"line-height: normal;">la'e zo'ai (*points=
 right*) smuni zo pritu</span></li><li><span style=3D"line-height: normal;"=
>la'e zo'ai&nbsp;<span style=3D"color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: arial,=
 sans-serif; font-size: small; line-height: 16px;">=E2=86=92</span>&nbsp;sm=
uni zo pritu</span></li></ul><div><span style=3D"line-height: 17px;">It doe=
s break AVI (audio-visual isomorphism), but when talking about, say, sign l=
anguage (without using a specialist notation), it will be broken anyway (pr=
obably more so, since the written version will refer to an image outside th=
e text). To stick closer to AVI, maybe {zo'ai} should accept {sei} (or at l=
east some SEI) afterwards to allow a description of the action, which overr=
ides any action observed in case of conflict. So we get:</span></div></div>=
<div><ul><li><span style=3D"line-height: normal;">la'e zo'ai sei pritu degj=
a'o cu smuni zo pritu</span><br></li></ul><div>.i pei .i mu'o mi'e mudri<br=
></div></div></div>

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