Received: from mail-ie0-f190.google.com ([209.85.223.190]:54805) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UWxeC-0005eD-Of; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:38:21 -0700 Received: by mail-ie0-f190.google.com with SMTP id bn7sf2315383ieb.7 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:38:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=cb4nh8YSW1LpTNfR3aL6otRfLgFan5HRrFo+cgqmf3o=; b=MWJkw2X4CvxFR7GH4gZgsV4ifd1IUHPpIFoRvu8XT3CwPRFziJtZo4f+8rNqxhvnD3 oheFIzcYHmmBjFQT2jCPc81J/7xvSttxiwU08gqdryr5vcVtSj9+xreV1CDRAz7dASq1 dMBTKvpT3usLk7Y4+X+HanhwtXnQNS+BJyWyp5xsXoliAPY1oU/LYQFxZFU8EeOHg2WN PCeB/5ufTX/nIolpooTkLL8Q6wEwbVU0ZkRVZm+eMOnCAZ+WHFXhxlCfm1D5hfyMHJdd y5j3KMO/zInZzHy/wZGsZBBGWk9KelF2eW1/nxKeOz55hN65X/LEpSblJ1NTzl2OiKAM E7Uw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=cb4nh8YSW1LpTNfR3aL6otRfLgFan5HRrFo+cgqmf3o=; b=TLsRAjTxOso43RRzBRhybYwEH4cM99kYmTaQpDMAtfbjccmHfvunvyFPkDJGwh9RK+ yNl+nWcPtYYsIX7OVvwK8plHwUKbZlUlo63jlblnxrJ07L4MIQl5ShOPO8B9F3WWoG9M 5vpx932n9qfsIAGEKuq/t9gczExoYlP+G2o9rSkO/Xoevg5jJgXqDCeYt9DI54RbOuX4 6xiMT794uAsyUUrxSgPhUdlg2RCY44CI4VGFL8odptxIX8jTp5NEuTLW9lKXmfaPXZXc 51+ibPCwhL4BKn93+C1KTJPHj12YoRhBhII9Er2e21iA8GtmNOZMu0bwbBbPDH9w11nU CTgQ== X-Received: by 10.50.62.68 with SMTP id w4mr622965igr.3.1367278690428; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:38:10 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.62.52 with SMTP id v20ls22982igr.22.gmail; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:38:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.43.160.195 with SMTP id md3mr40642135icc.8.1367278689089; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-x231.google.com (mail-ie0-x231.google.com [2607:f8b0:4001:c03::231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id iw8si1590592igc.1.2013.04.29.16.38.09 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::231 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4001:c03::231; Received: by mail-ie0-x231.google.com with SMTP id 9so7813694iec.8 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:38:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.7.66 with SMTP id h2mr2213379iga.31.1367278688999; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.13.68 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:38:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <3628787.k2TgisVrPR@caracal> <2a49f86a-cd6c-45ed-ad45-3c61b20fedff@googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 19:38:08 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Mixing tenses From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0122edb291239504db8860c5 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --089e0122edb291239504db8860c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While this parses, it's...philosophically subtle at best. I think of {mi} and {do} as being temporally nonlocal, which means you can't restrict their *referent* by specifying a time, since they "exist in many times in the first place. I think if you want to specify a time it should be the time of an event, which is why I suggested the version that I did above. Similar issues ensue with the {me} version. mi'e la latro'a mu'o On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas wro= te: > > > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 5:46 PM, mudri wrote: > >> Say, {mi} and {do}, respectively. >> >> > You could say "mi pe ca cu zmadu do pe pu ku lo ka ..." > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3D= en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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While this parses, it's...philosophically subtle = at best. I think of {mi} and {do} as being temporally nonlocal, which means= you can't restrict their referent by specifying a time, since t= hey "exist in many times in the first place. I think if you want to sp= ecify a time it should be the time of an event, which is why I suggested th= e version that I did above. Similar issues ensue with the {me} version.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o


On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Jor= ge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:



On Mon, Apr 29, 20= 13 at 5:46 PM, mudri <jammyatjammy@gmail.com> wrote:
Say, {mi} and {do}, respectively.
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You could say "mi pe ca cu zmadu do pe pu ku lo ka ..."

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