Received: from mail-vb0-f56.google.com ([209.85.212.56]:50092) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UZv0h-0005DT-7D; Tue, 07 May 2013 20:25:47 -0700 Received: by mail-vb0-f56.google.com with SMTP id e13sf338642vbg.1 for ; Tue, 07 May 2013 20:25:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:x-received :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=XQZmfTQe1uOfzRAUf9coYcu+lztgfdxEzI38kCuv47Q=; b=ecDNsu0/giOnDGIeA7gbsrgtT0t6ljbjLrYFrGWyODwSr7lH0nuqqjdfjViXaYGEam Di5kcyLGxjd3SkXpUYYroAzlrfEh8RqxlZ+9C3PS9AcwHYpbPh8m92sOxGNwnUPFdb6J DYHeKx8ZQlCMXXGQHglMXVoKpQR7b1wT+5CjRxrs6NP1lmpi2PoYOjiL5RJyb4+Xj0Kq hWn91Fkm/UbvLicUwI4GDiRGFDWniUvrWzHnesAzZiV3Q0HJt6U84YMa0QPFjapEYwdu OQlm++dCCPSoZwAe5cF5h0UmULnl4NKn0lzhFR3DUqkd7REqy6ubRK+fhYHg+kyauNVt cEUg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:x-received :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=XQZmfTQe1uOfzRAUf9coYcu+lztgfdxEzI38kCuv47Q=; b=1DSglEMfsaKLEhFqa/RMLQ5ij5mYslUJ1ssvhDFbbQBcjWM3ITWqPlONzBYz3IFg8z fcMKLN7WZUbhPX/EHRfDpPIQEvqWX0Y1kbmqrVFUr1316AttlEr5EiWrSsV24T7qdR7e liHvwwzneOcSij5t48h2HuEXEjXb9lawWER9khqxL5t3DS8EUdzH0TVeNhYvzCHJdwj9 qBafzUblYyJXnM/PUtm3I7Ipdncog3dH6LtQLNEn75bjI5dzUwwYy6JRg4nWIC+d5D0p b3F+wHI0YlZjiQ9fvjZ6jAu8tFCgpirf5bsmM66O2ub0E5n03J9WbUqoXyTFPcOVJzio qaSw== X-Received: by 10.49.42.1 with SMTP id j1mr501239qel.41.1367983536502; Tue, 07 May 2013 20:25:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.35.136 with SMTP id h8ls758218qej.31.gmail; Tue, 07 May 2013 20:25:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.52.68.135 with SMTP id w7mr3110047vdt.5.1367983535331; Tue, 07 May 2013 20:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-x236.google.com (mail-vb0-x236.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c02::236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v14si1133355vdu.3.2013.05.07.20.25.35 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 07 May 2013 20:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c02::236 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c02::236; Received: by mail-vb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id f12so1199215vbg.27 for ; Tue, 07 May 2013 20:25:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.220.253.8 with SMTP id my8mr3308318vcb.23.1367983535251; Tue, 07 May 2013 20:25:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.33.130 with HTTP; Tue, 7 May 2013 20:25:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: MorphemeAddict Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 23:25:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Looking for a definition To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c02::236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bdc8bc6ad684504dc2c7ced X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7bdc8bc6ad684504dc2c7ced Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I see two issues, neither necessarily wrong. First, it doesn't need to start with {.i} since it's not a continuation of a previous utterance. Second, I think {zo'e} is redundant. If a third argument were used after {binxo}, {zo'e} would serve the function of filling the second argument and thereby marking the next as the third, but here it just fills the second argument with an explicit "doesn't matter/don't know", which is what a blank already means. stevo On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Lee Carlson wrote: > For the longest time I have said: "Nothing is Constant except Change." I > wanted to translate my intent to lojban and wound up with:"Everything > Always Changes." Would an appropriate translation be: .i roda roroi binxo > zo'e. > > -- > The World is a magical place, waiting for our senses to grow sharper. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. 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I see two issues, neither necessarily wrong.=A0

First, it doesn't need to start with {.i} since it's= not a continuation of a previous utterance.=A0
Second, I t= hink {zo'e} is redundant. If a third argument were used after {binxo}, = {zo'e} would serve the function of filling the second argument and ther= eby marking the next as the third, but here it just fills the second argume= nt with an explicit "doesn't matter/don't know", which is= what a blank already means.=A0

stevo


On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Lee Ca= rlson <lorddraqo@gmail.com> wrote:
For the longest time I have= said: "Nothing is Constant except Change." I wanted to translate= my intent to lojban and wound up with:"Everything Always Changes.&quo= t; Would an appropriate translation be: .i roda roroi binxo zo'e.

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The World is a magical place, waiting for our senses = to grow sharper.

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