Received: from mail-wg0-f60.google.com ([74.125.82.60]:64994) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Uf04L-0000rn-CM; Tue, 21 May 2013 20:50:41 -0700 Received: by mail-wg0-f60.google.com with SMTP id m15sf141903wgh.5 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 20:50:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:subject:message-id:x-mailer:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0/8qg7OVLdOmrNkM9s3nmjH8lR45oAvfcKUxVxUQm60=; b=Ajfdu/wJB//ysziZ32GQLszPxdroYZX1QukFGyGQKnzv8bufEDN1c5v2akUeiaqVAu ZisEXwHBBpXsM3LG763UH334UDtKE1KxDUKySB0xDLWcWPjcdvAQebLmeM/27lBH+9JS QkMuyKRwGJd0UaDV6kgkOk/P9+VuBwq7CRuUhHoQKg7QXmRnggnP/xlvC0oV/rk6n/Iw MJhiS1Ray9c2eWdQxsA0WUWAYQAEGtHFs7mTTRqSh4CoisnXG2cuhqRi7PGDVpISjlOe jDWBZcY0C5miuJSe4aT02IeM5rW7igi6103EZLrmUcrLg7b7AaI138KcfQCuYNqB6VKV 1aJA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:subject:message-id:x-mailer:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0/8qg7OVLdOmrNkM9s3nmjH8lR45oAvfcKUxVxUQm60=; b=TiyOHR4GAPvTTfdYkaoOpKJd89KjokjCcUXHKb4KywmEH3fXjBu5/4gqR5FgDmDTTm KIx+0AT8Ny8mO02MMjxc5a8ngFS/sv+xyj66FmkLHGTsRiKSXg71nTggVdqe0sDSA0I3 ERktv+LYEnRZS7/jqJpI9msR6yqrF8dXLVWoo/Gj5v9QGmkjvWVca1fRXn+RWLDXWFpM lzku/TLgCJ66oll4xlPrwgIJMhcLA72TnYsqqwi5MiPo6kh5HWrKWXdsxNJtRtL3ZYnB nygJ0NsHXfUgS4zghdfFDyfgboVYxdBAKYssUBwzog/xF+ppsnFpLdhHKwe7iT3W8Fa3 GHnA== X-Received: by 10.180.198.100 with SMTP id jb4mr1229671wic.14.1369194621262; Tue, 21 May 2013 20:50:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.106.195 with SMTP id gw3ls400596wib.51.gmail; Tue, 21 May 2013 20:50:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.76.115 with SMTP id j19mr3173308wiw.2.1369194619921; Tue, 21 May 2013 20:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-x22b.google.com (mail-we0-x22b.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c03::22b]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q15si937167wij.0.2013.05.21.20.50.19 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 21 May 2013 20:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of daeldir@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22b as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c03::22b; Received: by mail-we0-f171.google.com with SMTP id t59so786156wes.30 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 20:50:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.189.68 with SMTP id gg4mr10320030wic.27.1369194619838; Tue, 21 May 2013 20:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezumi ([2a01:e35:2ef1:f370:76e5:43ff:fe7e:86f9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fz8sm25992102wib.2.2013.05.21.20.50.17 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 21 May 2013 20:50:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 05:50:26 +0200 From: Daeldir To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: [lojban-beginners] Lojban sounds and Wikipedia article about those sounds Message-Id: <20130522055026.ed095595fb270e1ddf380903@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.24.18; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: daeldir@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of daeldir@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mail=daeldir@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / While translating the Lojban Wave Lesson Zero, about lojban letters pronunc= iation, in french, I used some Wikipedia linguistic articles to describe th= e =93x=94 and =93r=94 in lojban. Wikipedia has sound samples for every lojbanic sound, I think, as we can se= e on those few examples: L: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar_lateral_approximant O: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close-mid_back_rounded_vowel R: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar_trill X: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_velar_fricative I was thinking it would be nice to cover all the lojban sounds in the lesso= n zero (we actually don't specify the sounds that don't change from english= ), and to link those Wikipedia articles on each letter. However, one might argue that these articles are too specific to be put in = a learning material, and that, as the lojban letters accept many pronunciat= ions, linking to one sound would be too restrictive. So, I ask here if you think such a work would be interesting. I can put up = a list of the lojban sounds and their Wikipedia articles =96 there may even= be diphtongs, I'm not sure. Also, as I am not a linguist, nor a veteran lo= jbanist, I can make mistakes. So, if you tell me that it is a good idea, I = would make that list, and post it here for review, before modifying the les= son.=20 This works may be of benefit for translations of the lessons: these article= s exist in a french version, for example, but also in many other languages. mu'o mi'e la .daeldir. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den= . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.