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Wed, 22 May 2013 05:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ve0-x22b.google.com (mail-ve0-x22b.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c01::22b]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l10si421823vdw.2.2013.05.22.05.15.59 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 22 May 2013 05:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c01::22b as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c01::22b; Received: by mail-ve0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id m1so1380322ves.2 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 05:15:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.187.71 with SMTP id cv7mr2705688vcb.28.1369224959009; Wed, 22 May 2013 05:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.13.3 with HTTP; Wed, 22 May 2013 05:15:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130522055026.ed095595fb270e1ddf380903@gmail.com> References: <20130522055026.ed095595fb270e1ddf380903@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 09:15:58 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Lojban sounds and Wikipedia article about those sounds From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c01::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d29dc4cc6f904dd4d87e9 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b5d29dc4cc6f904dd4d87e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:50 AM, Daeldir wrote: > While translating the Lojban Wave Lesson Zero, about lojban letters > pronunciation, in french, I used some Wikipedia linguistic articles to > describe the =93x=94 and =93r=94 in lojban. > > Wikipedia has sound samples for every lojbanic sound, I think, as we can > see on those few examples: > > L: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar_lateral_approximant > O: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close-mid_back_rounded_vowel > R: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar_trill > X: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_velar_fricative > > I was thinking it would be nice to cover all the lojban sounds in the > lesson zero (we actually don't specify the sounds that don't change from > english), and to link those Wikipedia articles on each letter. > > However, one might argue that these articles are too specific to be put i= n > a learning material, and that, as the lojban letters accept many > pronunciations, linking to one sound would be too restrictive. > > So, I ask here if you think such a work would be interesting. I can put u= p > a list of the lojban sounds and their Wikipedia articles =96 there may ev= en > be diphtongs, I'm not sure. Also, as I am not a linguist, nor a veteran > lojbanist, I can make mistakes. So, if you tell me that it is a good idea= , > I would make that list, and post it here for review, before modifying the > lesson. > > You may find this useful http://jbo.wikipedia.org/wiki/lojban. which has links to all of them. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den= . 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On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:50 AM, Daeldir <daeldir@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
While translating the Lojban Wave Lesson Zero, about lojba= n letters pronunciation, in french, I used some Wikipedia linguistic articl= es to describe the =93x=94 and =93r=94 in lojban.

Wikipedia has sound samples for every lojbanic sound, I think, as we can se= e on those few examples:

L: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar_lateral_approximant=
O: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close-mid_back_rounded_vowel=
R: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar_trill
X: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_velar_fricative
I was thinking it would be nice to cover all the lojban sounds in the lesso= n zero (we actually don't specify the sounds that don't change from= english), and to link those Wikipedia articles on each letter.

However, one might argue that these articles are too specific to be put in = a learning material, and that, as the lojban letters accept many pronunciat= ions, linking to one sound would be too restrictive.

So, I ask here if you think such a work would be interesting. I can put up = a list of the lojban sounds and their Wikipedia articles =96 there may even= be diphtongs, I'm not sure. Also, as I am not a linguist, nor a vetera= n lojbanist, I can make mistakes. So, if you tell me that it is a good idea= , I would make that list, and post it here for review, before modifying the= lesson.


You may find this useful=A0http://jbo.wikipedia.org/wiki/lojban= .=A0which has links to all of them.

= mu'o mi'e xorxes

=A0

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