Received: from mail-we0-f183.google.com ([74.125.82.183]:52733) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UfG0i-00025L-81; Wed, 22 May 2013 13:52:04 -0700 Received: by mail-we0-f183.google.com with SMTP id p58sf311677wes.10 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 13:51:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=z4l0rY+k2M428voNzbrS9jo0tSWSEzxPkmDJFz4kKiQ=; b=aLomTL+ORK59PDjcJfVSB5oExs1R41OFVo3/dFc4OYtie79LO1uQKw8o3xj3TD5U4A TiUi4LtUSrRfVFDloKlYXrfZi8l1emqwSvUnvR7alISM5uYsDukHRkWkBnzWLZjOgFoI lJlMna3eVupBwuScCnIXBXuteWnuSswP4kC+rlLZ4NF+Ad/J+9nPICLyVIf9sFqdpQSw ZSn1Z0XNXzm6BHitik0QjPripQW5MiLfl86MCaGZgreCSKLwoCOaQwE+tEty24Ukb8jb vLUrNfjaJGeLOPoeBGCmbMp5jOwOakdB7GhNhp1SmgTL71nkZAoLFjvV1YwRTk/XavVu ybkw== X-Received: by 10.180.82.97 with SMTP id h1mr1689720wiy.18.1369255899866; Wed, 22 May 2013 13:51:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.85.106 with SMTP id g10ls740788wiz.52.gmail; Wed, 22 May 2013 13:51:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.15.42.72 with SMTP id t48mr9817043eev.7.1369255897437; Wed, 22 May 2013 13:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dd17822.kasserver.com (dd17822.kasserver.com. [85.13.138.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bj52si2249090eeb.1.2013.05.22.13.51.37 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 22 May 2013 13:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) client-ip=85.13.138.119; Received: from samsa (brln-4d0cd0e1.pool.mediaWays.net [77.12.208.225]) by dd17822.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 79D14860253 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 22:51:36 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 22:51:36 +0200 From: v4hn To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] questions about lojban Message-ID: <20130522205135.GG3114@samsa.fritz.box> References: <20130520214048.GA3114@samsa.fritz.box> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EemXnrF2ob+xzFeB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: me@v4hn.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) smtp.mail=me@v4hn.de Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --EemXnrF2ob+xzFeB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 01:21:33PM -0700, tjerk wrote: > Op maandag 20 mei 2013 23:40:48 UTC+2 schreef v4hn het volgende: > > There is no "normal place of a function", just mathematical convention.= =20 > > If you prefer reverse polish notation, they belong in the end.=20 >=20 > In the end is not handy compared to at the begin. Not in lojban, right. I just wanted to point out that mathematics doesn't care. > > Talking about programming:=20 > > object methods usually follow their object "object.method()". W.r.t. th= is=20 > > usage lojban is quite natural. .u'i=20 >=20 > Lojban resembles functional programming more than object oriented=20 > programming. The predicate is central, and that is a function. It resembles neither. It's a language used for communication, not for computation and comparisons to programming languages are all invalid anyway in my opinion. Natural discourses usually have topics/focused objects and those normally go in front in lojban. If you're a lisp programm= er and prefer prefix notation to everything else, you can do that by appending {fa} to all of your bridi. Would be an interesting style of lojban to read. mi'e la .van. mu'o --EemXnrF2ob+xzFeB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlGdL9cACgkQMBKLZs4+wjzf7wCeObhkL4/AmK1sxD+HZdmL8JSU 73cAoMBGuIE3IO8KFmv8QpbUiLEWHNZO =Su0L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EemXnrF2ob+xzFeB--