Received: from mail-la0-f63.google.com ([209.85.215.63]:58177) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Ufe9r-0003zM-Sd; Thu, 23 May 2013 15:38:58 -0700 Received: by mail-la0-f63.google.com with SMTP id fs13sf427365lab.18 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 15:38:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=4zgD4F25XxjgC9Eb9THMwdu4XAbj8WB/g4NpnrttflM=; b=QiHkjos10HRr/7LbvgskzlfN24ruDHAv97tGWpEr5E/TMBi9L6o01Ljjm0pTqZClLm jLrGVcVsTD695dyZzuV9XFo+XpXnr/5xPLRvtfv5DgQm2rEWLcOun2WSRqglGKB+kRHY d2xeWVqN45QD1RO9SWpgXm083oU5tq34fkj15nZntUeZwcNQC8Zo3YSlJ9+mxatUyxQ/ GECLrXFDQ0JKu7f37eziW/QILsRLwDA+h69B4Rmb1qf+ypYWNFvRX2BKiY8AAFnZbXad kn3Qid51/2Z+8NCvWcdA0Ow9URSpD+69pegvNwFr3JT96rcuJMFsz9Fk4nDBwwelzZTb 8XmA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=4zgD4F25XxjgC9Eb9THMwdu4XAbj8WB/g4NpnrttflM=; b=w7p9GzCWCKpNuJkmKKIRJKx37p+S8XhTmQp3AmHaP1fPNT8Fu5kAjPYcOHx1EVydh6 LYIGXwIoYvoOIGhfRQqU0PTzWi+0w3SMUGmHT4W1Ihw1pUkqvwzWtflpKRQwtWrYxzbD idfeLiO9HyJJvoXHkDg0BmD9JtDrbHqC2W6rvzAwCFupvnL926AXe/UiQv4SGZlddJn6 1SEtGp/koB1HgOAB2PnaWfFVm2c1vTV9D7+BQV8gc687wMT3mlnv22CZnRx81TqEdNbn Bn5Ci3a9eDAUbG2/ZZjyTYOQ7Xh6Fuh57ljuCaX9xKGJYIzV1swSnk6t/5pMVtpnC5C1 wbyg== X-Received: by 10.180.9.66 with SMTP id x2mr2013738wia.4.1369348723842; Thu, 23 May 2013 15:38:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.182.17 with SMTP id ea17ls100502wic.42.canary; Thu, 23 May 2013 15:38:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.183.197 with SMTP id ch5mr1350268bkb.3.1369348722650; Thu, 23 May 2013 15:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x22e.google.com (mail-la0-x22e.google.com [2a00:1450:4010:c03::22e]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cm16si1270223bkb.0.2013.05.23.15.38.42 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 23 May 2013 15:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22e as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c03::22e; Received: by mail-la0-f46.google.com with SMTP id er20so3759790lab.5 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 15:38:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.144.36 with SMTP id sj4mr7589442lbb.1.1369348722341; Thu, 23 May 2013 15:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.1.166 with HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 15:38:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130523213308.GK3114@samsa.fritz.box> References: <20130523213308.GK3114@samsa.fritz.box> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 16:38:42 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: questions about lojban From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22e as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b34343e2b3cc904dd6a58c0 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b34343e2b3cc904dd6a58c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 3:33 PM, v4hn wrote: > On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 03:02:54PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 2:32 PM, stormi > wrote: > > > > Lojban resembles functional programming more than object oriented > > > > programming. The predicate is central, and that is a function. > > > > > > I disagree, it resembles objected oriented programming rather strongly. > > > Namely in that the first place is almost always the "do-er." > > > [...] > > > > brivla are not objects, they are functions. The fact that the first > > argument of the function typically comes before the function call itself, > > as in the case of {mi klama}, is irrelevant. > > > > {mi klama lo zarci lo zdani lo dargu lo karce} is not "mi.klama( lo > zarci , > > lo zdani , lo dargu , lo karce )", it is "klama( mi , lo zarci , lo > zdani , > > lo dargu , lo karce )". > > It is neither and you're "argument", that is to say you're opinion, > isn't any stronger. > *your And it's not an opinion. It's an analogy, as predicate logic and functional programming are very similar in this regard: they both are composed of functions which take a number of arguments. > Did I mention that these comparisons pe'i > are all invalid and irrational? > > > mu'o > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --047d7b34343e2b3cc904dd6a58c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On T= hu, May 23, 2013 at 3:33 PM, v4hn <me@v4hn.de> wrote:
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 03:02:54PM -0600, Jonathan Jones = wrote:
> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 2:32 PM, stormi <chevalieradam2@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Lojban resembles functional programm= ing more than object oriented
> > > programming. The predicate is central, and that is a functio= n.
> >
> > I disagree, it resembles objected oriented programming rather str= ongly.
> > Namely in that the first place is almost always the "do-er.&= quot;
> > [...]
>
> brivla are not objects, they are functions. The fact that the first > argument of the function typically comes before the function call itse= lf,
> as in the case of {mi klama}, is irrelevant.
>
> {mi klama lo zarci lo zdani lo dargu lo karce} is not "mi.klama( = lo zarci ,
> lo zdani , lo dargu , lo karce )", it is "klama( mi , lo zar= ci , lo zdani ,
> lo dargu , lo karce )".

It is neither and you're "argument", that is to say you= 're opinion,
isn't any stronger.

*your

And it's not an opinion. It's an analogy, as predicate log= ic and functional programming are very similar in this regard: they both ar= e composed of functions which take a number of arguments.
=A0
Did I mention that these comparisons pe'i
are all invalid and irrational?


mu'o



--
mu'o mi'e .aion= ys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu= do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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