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On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:37 AM, .iuROK. <yurock.tengo@gmail.com> wrote:

> {lo vi broda} says that the referent, call it x, "fits" the first place of
> the selbri {vi broda}, i.e. {xy vi broda} is true. Let's use an example.
>
> mi catlu lo vi mlatu
> I look at a nearby cat.
>
> {lo vi mlatu} says that the referent (x) is a cat that is near to the
> looker, the reference point of the bridi. Another cat (y) that is far away
> from me cannot be the referent of {lo vi mlatu}, because {.y bu vi mlatu}
> is false. The idea is not that x can morph into y, but that from x and y it
> selects x based on their location.
>
Implicit temporal tense makes this situation a bit delicate if you are not
explicit: {mi catlu lo vi mlatu} could be {mi catlu lo pu vi mlatu} for
example (maybe the cat was next to me, and is now across the street).

Everything else you've said is correct, and if you pretend "is" is untensed
instead of present tense, what you said is correct anyway. (This is a
constant bother when discussing Lojban in English, Romance languages, etc.)

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On T=
hu, May 30, 2013 at 10:37 AM, .iuROK. <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:yurock.tengo@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">yurock.tengo@gmail.com</a>&gt;=
</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div>{lo vi broda} says that the r=
eferent, call it x, &quot;fits&quot; the first place of the selbri {vi brod=
a}, i.e. {xy vi broda} is true. Let&#39;s use an example.<br>
<br>mi catlu lo vi mlatu<br>I look at a nearby cat.<br><br>{lo vi mlatu} sa=
ys that the referent (x) is a cat that is near to the looker, the reference=
 point of the bridi. Another cat (y) that is far away from me cannot be the=
 referent of {lo vi mlatu}, because {.y bu vi mlatu} is false. The idea is =
not that x can morph into y, but that from x and y it selects x based on th=
eir location.<br>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div>Implicit temporal tense makes this situ=
ation a bit delicate if you are not explicit: {mi catlu lo vi mlatu} could =
be {mi catlu lo pu vi mlatu} for example (maybe the cat was next to me, and=
 is now across the street).<br>
<br></div><div>Everything else you&#39;ve said is correct, and if you prete=
nd &quot;is&quot; is untensed instead of present tense, what you said is co=
rrect anyway. (This is a constant bother when discussing Lojban in English,=
 Romance languages, etc.)<br>
</div><div><br>mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o <br></div></div><br></div><=
/div>

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