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>
> The discussion was about how to express concepts with "as", such as "I 
> like you as a friend" and "I respect you as a leader." Others expressed 
> that this is "I like You-As-Friend", that is, the "as" lives in the sumti, 
> similar to how it does in English. Some suggested a NOI for this; others 
> suggested a brivla with place structure something like "x1 is x2 as 
> considered in capacity x3 (ka)". All considered this to live at sumti level.
>

The easiest I can think of is:

mi pendo nelci do

Clear enough, I think. And this is a generic pattern to translate "x1 broda 
(x2, considered as brode)":

x2 brode se broda x1

Now let's try to expand the tanru. One can like in different ways. That is, 
he can have different kinds of positive feelings or attitudes that would 
qualify for the generic term "x1 likes x2". The corresponding term in 
Lojban is {nelci}. We need a way to specify which of these kinds of 
feelings or attitudes x1 has for x2. Or, in other words, in which way x1 
likes x2. So, I interpret "I like you as a friend" as "I like you in a way 
typical for friends". Now to Lojban.

mi nelci do tai lo'e nu zu'i nelci lo pendo be ri

By the way, I don't like the "x considered as y" construction in natlangs. 
I think, it obscures the meaning in many cases. So, my opinion is that 
implementing it in Lojban would be an awful move. :)

Now to respect. Again, we have a generic term {sinma}, and we need to 
specify, respect of which kind is it. I think, differences become apparent 
in different situations. For example, I may feel respect to a jbocre when 
he talks in or about Lojban; in other words, in a "Lojbanic situation". So, 
"I respect you as a leader" would be:

mi sinma do fau lo'e nu do gidva

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<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;bor=
der-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div>The
 discussion was about how to express concepts with "as", such as "I like
 you as a friend" and "I respect you as a leader." Others expressed that
 this is "I like You-As-Friend", that is, the "as" lives in the sumti,=20
similar to how it does in English. Some suggested a NOI for this; others
 suggested a brivla with place structure something like "x1 is x2 as=20
considered in capacity x3 (ka)". All considered this to live at sumti level=
.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>The easiest I can think of i=
s:<br><br>mi pendo nelci do<br><br>Clear enough, I think. And this is a gen=
eric pattern to translate "x1 broda (x2, considered as brode)":<br><br>x2 b=
rode se broda x1<br><br>Now
 let's try to expand the tanru. One can like in different ways. That is,
 he can have different kinds of positive feelings or attitudes that=20
would qualify for the generic term "x1 likes x2". The corresponding term
 in Lojban is {nelci}. We need a way to specify which of these kinds of=20
feelings or attitudes x1 has for x2. Or, in other words, in which way x1
 likes x2. So, I interpret "I like you as a friend" as "I like you in a=20
way typical for friends". Now to Lojban.<br><br>mi nelci do tai lo'e nu zu'=
i nelci lo pendo be ri<br><br>By
 the way, I don't like the "x considered as y" construction in natlangs.
 I think, it obscures the meaning in many cases. So, my opinion is that=20
implementing it in Lojban would be an awful move. :)<br><br>Now to=20
respect. Again, we have a generic term {sinma}, and we need to specify,=20
respect of which kind is it. I think, differences become apparent in=20
different situations. For example, I may feel respect to a jbocre when=20
he talks in or about Lojban; in other words, in a "Lojbanic situation".=20
So, "I respect you as a leader" would be:<br><br>mi sinma do fau lo'e nu do=
 gidva<br></div>

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