Received: from mail-ob0-f183.google.com ([209.85.214.183]:54413) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UiAQH-0003Rm-1o; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:30:21 -0700 Received: by mail-ob0-f183.google.com with SMTP id xk17sf200852obc.20 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:30:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=SReZjbYGAv/ymKlr73dhClcPJ43DFAKTvuTjx2kGlUQ=; b=BW7MgvdyGJM7Qw62tAUQGJETH1wwKtTpwj2ofIObE4Dt7YAl44ae4+1BizrmbVLA81 U5lWFvksIMdJlYUiSUftwUT5/tAoihHP4oBQGZbUglhiOReyqHNomKi8af+h3E/0yf7s ToEjGLVaxIxwVR8l5/xmq+yK2bA7UvHtNNH36OCe8qt1fejAAkwhMGA4Kx5lAXvv8z/c unhBxfTHyrCG+h8ljK7+ylnG3phLt+GJlv6SRV5dKJKVbyXgXPvj211V1OHMKxz6jSF6 isnl54eGHVeyszKPhYa6ozQlbYihrqwdyQmxwzdyPooqGB9SM2s1g1YrCTVMN7kU5cCF XJrQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=SReZjbYGAv/ymKlr73dhClcPJ43DFAKTvuTjx2kGlUQ=; b=gmUnfJDlHEBxcWLcAw2iCPgowPnzfg8jt2N6S7+w1l2EIuA7OsR1nY3pjgw6PreMAa MDldxruH62Y2P6TaUkWnfWR/IMS6Yma0YJ3ebNfGHf1eoxoi1buDJbEKCqgm+L1uBYnr eSnjoyB2WMQ/J+Ax7TFltGQqp5BQVg196mojUjWvFjfx+gNU4v5qO9AnTCsDWglOgS1t ojz+vf6SvIdHygV0mYRRzb/QLxXkk/WEBDMS2FOv0O3AVowRiJ9N8llYWVT/3kuK2nrt mz6WBCqIbHF+FZSJJizDqZXeMdeWQskbOcisPkH76ueuLSzaZKd4W5F+nh8iGnF70jWY HOEg== X-Received: by 10.49.59.162 with SMTP id a2mr827426qer.5.1369949406817; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:30:06 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.37.71 with SMTP id w7ls588800qej.69.gmail; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:30:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.49.2.170 with SMTP id 10mr816215qev.38.1369949405471; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 14:30:05 -0700 (PDT) From: ".iuROK." To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <20e9b600-6c5c-4e13-a6c2-3606382cfa93@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Mixing tenses MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: yurock.tengo@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_102_22817432.1369949405076" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_102_22817432.1369949405076 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Another approach to the original problem of this topic. With time, ko'a and ko'e may vary in the property that we are interested in, that's why we refer to the past state of ko'e. Let's think of an imaginary "proxy". Let it be exactly equal to ko'e in our property of interest at a certain moment in the past. Let it not vary in that property in time. Now we can compare ko'a with the proxy. ko'a ca zmadu lo stodi be vo'i je dunli be ko'e bei vo'i bei pu ko'a currently exceeds something that was equal to ko'e and didn't change since then -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. ------=_Part_102_22817432.1369949405076 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another approach to the original problem of this topic. With time, ko'a and= ko'e may vary in the property that we are interested in, that's why we ref= er to the past state of ko'e. Let's think of an imaginary "proxy". Let it b= e exactly equal to ko'e in our property of interest at a certain moment in = the past. Let it not vary in that property in time. Now we can compare ko'a= with the proxy.

ko'a ca zmadu lo stodi be vo'i je dunli be ko'e bei= vo'i bei pu
ko'a currently exceeds something that was equal to ko'e and= didn't change since then

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