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On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:15:58 -0300
Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:50 AM, Daeldir <daeldir@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> > While translating the Lojban Wave Lesson Zero, about lojban letters
> > pronunciation, in french, I used some Wikipedia linguistic articles to
> > describe the =93x=94 and =93r=94 in lojban.
> >
> > Wikipedia has sound samples for every lojbanic sound, I think, as we ca=
n
> > see on those few examples:
> >
> > L: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar_lateral_approximant
> > O: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close-mid_back_rounded_vowel
> > R: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar_trill
> > X: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_velar_fricative
> >
> > I was thinking it would be nice to cover all the lojban sounds in the
> > lesson zero (we actually don't specify the sounds that don't change fro=
m
> > english), and to link those Wikipedia articles on each letter.
> >
> > However, one might argue that these articles are too specific to be put=
 in
> > a learning material, and that, as the lojban letters accept many
> > pronunciations, linking to one sound would be too restrictive.
> >
> > So, I ask here if you think such a work would be interesting. I can put=
 up
> > a list of the lojban sounds and their Wikipedia articles =96 there may =
even
> > be diphtongs, I'm not sure. Also, as I am not a linguist, nor a veteran
> > lojbanist, I can make mistakes. So, if you tell me that it is a good id=
ea,
> > I would make that list, and post it here for review, before modifying t=
he
> > lesson.
> >
> >
> You may find this useful http://jbo.wikipedia.org/wiki/lojban. which has
> links to all of them.
>=20
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>=20

Thanks for this link.

I'm now working on that (after a while without working on lojban). However,=
 is the =93o=94 sound correct here? It points to a close-mid back unrounded=
 vowel (no english example on the Wikipedia page), but I'm almost certain t=
hat it should be a rounded one (like in =93y_aw_n=94, if I believe Wikipedi=
a). I've used that latter sound in the Wave lesson, but it's a two letters =
change if I'm wrong ;-)

Also, about the =93r=94 (I have a long story with the =93r=94 ;-)), it poin=
ts to an alveolar tap. I thought it was an alveolar trill! My mistake (if i=
t is one) comes from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban#Phonology_and_ort=
hography], I guess, where an alveolar trill is given for the =93r=94. And i=
t had something to do with the spanish =93r=94, too, but I don't remember w=
here I did read that, and anyway, on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R], we c=
an see that both sound are used in spanish (so, it was not precise, but not=
 false to do that kind of comparison). Well, I would like to know what is t=
he =93best=94 sound (as the two are correct, thank to lojban laxism about s=
ounds differentiation). First, to point it as an example, second, to correc=
t any =93prefered way=94 that I could have put in the french translation (a=
s the french =93r=94 is really different from both sounds, I spent some tim=
e on it).

Now, I'm back to translations.

mu'o mi'e la .daeldir.

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