Received: from mail-vb0-f62.google.com ([209.85.212.62]:35208) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UicXb-0005xy-V8; Fri, 31 May 2013 20:31:44 -0700 Received: by mail-vb0-f62.google.com with SMTP id f13sf617022vbg.17 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 20:31:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Z9hWHNdAaUMicNqrwOf6L9vsd5V0RyEuxPxcrGhphj8=; b=ddKR0MzqumHs+cJRmxj/pHtfdzm8EYgQQXqQxYZAnUu0GRsRqA1TEu8Nt55lJOrUg5 4yaK8BWPzgkZQAg++y2JP8hdNrFnL8xcN/q7hLpvT1HEkG6ji3uiVpjn/5ACjVCx4ANg waJjf9DEifrhBkf7RPi25gbEwyQkac56OmNWvkZcXGdn+XiqgjiimSNFrFGtLdCsyz6l 4rlQosGOD4stbFd6pvtwDitp2G6uLdS+StpJaUW2dG9JIwvmnkMgT1EtFb81U7G9rLaY 2PMCM9jWh5whQ9gtjzive9pFWw/VIFr5PU3L4+/mKB6v6OIRQHt1ZC50yaEiSbcWdD7o jkiQ== X-Received: by 10.49.104.8 with SMTP id ga8mr658980qeb.18.1370057492758; Fri, 31 May 2013 20:31:32 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.47.78 with SMTP id b14ls1376544qen.91.gmail; Fri, 31 May 2013 20:31:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.3.131 with SMTP id 3mr8058356qan.5.1370057490723; Fri, 31 May 2013 20:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.181.200 with SMTP id bz8msqab; Wed, 29 May 2013 21:56:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.134.132 with SMTP id s4mr3190512yhi.56.1369889769221; Wed, 29 May 2013 21:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chausie ([2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id u47si2987570yhe.0.2013.05.29.21.56.09 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 21:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5; Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E55C99D for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 00:56:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Mixing tenses Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 00:56:08 -0400 Message-ID: <4059026.xHE080WepR@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-44-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <6c47f8f2-73ab-4adb-942c-451964c3e5b5@googlegroups.com> References: <6c47f8f2-73ab-4adb-942c-451964c3e5b5@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 18:05:46 .iuROK. wrote: > > It does not matter how we refer, only what we refer to > > .u'i > I just realized how funny the word {binxo} appears in the light of my > explanation. Consider the example: > lo verba ku binxo lo makcu ku > Here I'm again talking about myself, so, to give the listener a better idea > of which child and which adult I am talking about, I'll just replace both > sumti with {mi} which has exactly the same referent. > mi binxo mi > ki'ai .uut. pu'u lo jungo cu binxo lo jungo (Not-quite-right translation of a chapter title in Guns, Germs, and Steel. Better would be "pu'u la .jugygug. binxo lo jungo" or "pu'u la .jugygug. co'a jungo".) Pierre -- sei do'anai mi'a djuno puze'e noroi nalselganse srera -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.