On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Sebastian F= r=F6jd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:

ok, now this is much clearer for me. Thank you for th= e explanation, gejyspa.

Maybe this doesn't belong to the topic,= but is there anyone keeping track of issues like this, so next official gr= ammar, or at least the BPFK sections are updated with discussions and errat= a etc, including examples of tense combinations, and other issues needs cla= rifying? The discussions linked from BPFK pages I've seen are from 2000= . Just wondering....

co'omi'e jongausib

2013/7/3 Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>

The interval X is not speci= fied at all, IMO =A0If you had said "mi co'a ba ze'u pu bajra&= quot;, that would mean "I am at the beginning of a long future time of= having had run" (which is true, if you have ever run in the past), th= en X=3Dze'u.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa

On Wed, Jul = 3, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok, but I'm still = not convinced. But first lets split the sentence into two propositions:
=

1. {mi baze'upu bajra} specify in which time interval my run= ning takes place. No problem to understand and we could as well simplify th= is into just {mi ze'u bajra} to get to the point.

2. {mi co'a bajra} says that in the beginning of some un= specified interval goi X I start running.

Case I: Is the interval X= identical to {ze'u}? In this case the event of my running must be in t= he beginning of {ze'u}.

Case II: Is the interval X not specified in the bridi at all= ? In this case the beginning of running takes place in some unspecified int= erval and the interval {ze'u} says that this running takes place for a = long time interval in the beginning of the unspecified interval.

Ok, so which interpretation do you choose?

=
mu'omi'e jongausib

2013/7/3 Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>

=A0 Well, the way I would i= nterpret that sentence is "I will be having started to run, for a long= time" That is to say, I interpret it as mi ba ze'u (pu (co'a = bajra)). =A0 See for example 10.3.16 =A0That is, I would interpret all tens= es as going outward from the selbri. =A0But reasonable people may disagree = with me. =A0And so may unreasonable ones. =A0I live it up to you to interpr= et which category the toltu'i be mi =A0are in.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 8:42 AM, jongausib <so.cool.og= i@gmail.com> wrote:

What is the proper interpretation of the= sentence {mi baze'upu co'a bajra}?

1. That the "start = running-predicate" takes place through the whole intervall, which prob= ably means that the start running intervall is a part of some other unspeci= fied intervall.

or

2. That I start running in the beginning of the intervall {ba= ze'upu}.

or something else?

I couldn't figure thi= s out by reading CLL or BPFK sections, so please help!

mu'omi= 9;e jongausib

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