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Don't overlook the power of {zo'e}. {.i zo'e citka lo plise} (or,
equivalently and marginally more idiomatically, {.i citka lo plise}) is
perfectly fine, and leaves who is eating the apple as someone vague, but
either unimportant or obvious from context.


On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <
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> Hi,
>
> When there isn't enough context to determine the referent of a
> personal pronoun, a common practice appears to be to translate it with
> ko'a-series, such as often occurs in Tatoeba. Given the context, we
> could use ri-series, ti-series, lerfu strings or some appropriate
> grammatical construction. Otherwise, ko'a is the best we can do, and
> is enough for the purposes of Tatoeba.
>
> In fact, it is quite appropriate. In Tatoeba sentences, these pronouns
> are probably used more like placeholders than anything.
>
> {da citka lo plise} means "someone ate the apple", which is quite
> different.
>
> .a'o ba'o sidju
>
> mu'o
> mi'e .asiz.
>
>
> On 1 July 2013 18:29, la .temlat. <njkanja@gmail.com> wrote:
> > coi rodo
> >
> > If I was trying to make an example sentence like "He ate the apple" and=
 I
> > had nothing to refer back to (so I couldn't use ri/ra/ru) would it make
> more
> > sense to say "ko'a citka lo plise" or "da citka lo plise".  I'd think t=
he
> > latter would be good because it means "X eats an apple". But I want to
> hear
> > your input :)
> >
> > I want to know because I'm never sure what to use when translating such
> > sentences on Tatoeba.
> >
> > ki'esai
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Don&#39;t overlook the power of {zo&#39;e}. {.i zo&#39;e c=
itka lo plise} (or, equivalently and marginally more idiomatically, {.i cit=
ka lo plise}) is perfectly fine, and leaves who is eating the apple as some=
one vague, but either unimportant or obvious from context.<br>

</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon,=
 Jul 1, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:felipeg.assis@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">felipeg.assis@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
When there isn&#39;t enough context to determine the referent of a<br>
personal pronoun, a common practice appears to be to translate it with<br>
ko&#39;a-series, such as often occurs in Tatoeba. Given the context, we<br>
could use ri-series, ti-series, lerfu strings or some appropriate<br>
grammatical construction. Otherwise, ko&#39;a is the best we can do, and<br=
>
is enough for the purposes of Tatoeba.<br>
<br>
In fact, it is quite appropriate. In Tatoeba sentences, these pronouns<br>
are probably used more like placeholders than anything.<br>
<br>
{da citka lo plise} means &quot;someone ate the apple&quot;, which is quite=
 different.<br>
<br>
.a&#39;o ba&#39;o sidju<br>
<br>
mu&#39;o<br>
mi&#39;e .asiz.<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
On 1 July 2013 18:29, la .temlat. &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:njkanja@gmail.com">=
njkanja@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; coi rodo<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; If I was trying to make an example sentence like &quot;He ate the appl=
e&quot; and I<br>
&gt; had nothing to refer back to (so I couldn&#39;t use ri/ra/ru) would it=
 make more<br>
&gt; sense to say &quot;ko&#39;a citka lo plise&quot; or &quot;da citka lo =
plise&quot;. =A0I&#39;d think the<br>
&gt; latter would be good because it means &quot;X eats an apple&quot;. But=
 I want to hear<br>
&gt; your input :)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I want to know because I&#39;m never sure what to use when translating=
 such<br>
&gt; sentences on Tatoeba.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; ki&#39;esai<br>
&gt;<br>
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