Hello Everyone!

I'm new around here. So= far I'm finding lojban to be a thing of beauty, the more I read, the more = I am impressed by it's beauty and elegance. I just had a question about log= ical connections within tanru, as the there seems to be some contradictory = statements in the CLL published on lojban.org.

Spe= cifically, the following would appear to be at odds:

In chapter 5 section 6, the example "blanu je zdani" is used and it is s= tated that the "blueness is independent of the houseness". However, in chap= ter 14 section 12, the example "la .alis. cu blanu = je zdani prenu" is used and it is stated that "the blueness is associa= ted with the houseness". I can't see how both these statements can be true = and maintain logical consistency. This inconsistency is used to explain why the rule o= f expansion to separate bride does not apply on tanru connections.

Would it not be more accurate to say that&n= bsp;"la .alis. cu blanu je zdani prenu" is s= imply not a very good translation of "alive is a person who lives in blue h= ouses", a better translation would be simply "la .alis. cu blanu zdani pren= u". Especially since the "live in" part of the english sente= nce is included in the the translation of zdani, but nothing about blanu im= plies a 'live in' quality. You could of course say the english phrase "Alic= e is a person who lives in things that are houses and things that are blue"= , and while that may be similar semantically, it is clearly quite= different grammatically and still doesn't account for 'living in blue= '. I realise there is a degree if semantic ambiguity in tanru by their= very nature, but other than this instance, the grammatical connection= s are quite clear. As in the example from chapter 5, "blanu je zdani" does = not exclude a semantic meaning similar "blanu zdani" but it certainly does = not imply it. Much like "mi cu klama" does not exclude a semantic meaning similar "mi pu klama", one = is merely less specific than the other.

Anyway, I'm still very = much a beginner at lojban and am probably missing something very obvious.&n= bsp;Any thoughts or clarificati= ons would be greatly appreciated :)

.ed.

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