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On 04.09.2013 22:41, mudri wrote:
> I'm looking to translate =93It seems to be broda. Is it?=94 without
> repeating {broda}. Is there any way to do that?
>
> ko'a simlu lo ka broda .i ko'a [???] ri

Sadly, there is no word specifically for this purpose.

You can use {cei broda}, which requires lots of syllables and=20
forethought:

(1) mi zgana lo nu lo gerku cu bajra cei broda .i xu do ji'a broda
     "I observe a dog running (hereby signified by broda). Do you also=20
broda?"

A less syllable-intensive, more colloquial way is to use {co'e}, which=20
usually gets the message across with a higher than chance probability:

(2) mi zgana lo nu lo gerku cu bajra .i xu do ji'a co'e
     "I observe a dog running. Do you also do-it?"

So, these are work-arounds, not the actual thing you are looking for,=20
but they are as close as you can get to it. Also, simply repeating the=20
word becomes cumbersome with large predicates such as tanru.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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