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Connectives and tags are fundamentally different things, which explains why
when we want to use a tag as a connective, we have to coerce it with the
CONNECTIVE TAG BO formulation (e.g. .i TAG bo, je TAG bo, .e TAG bo, etc.).
Even if we coerced {ca} into a connective, in your example, we wouldn't be
much further ahead since we can't connect connectives. (A bit too meta.) We
need to find a different approach.

Let's examine the meaning of what you want to say: "even" in this case is
carrying a meaning of "one wouldn't expect the main event to occur when the
tagged event does, but it does!" so to remark on this, let's just use
{ji'a}. {.i vudypai ca lo ji'a sai nu lo tsani ca'o farlu}.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o


On 2 November 2013 13:50, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't know if this is more suitable to the beginner list of the main
> list, but since it's a question, I figure it may be useful to some new
> folks.
>
> Is it possible (and if so, how) to have multiple tags/connectors?
>
> Let me explain what I mean.
>
> On the new jboselkei (thanks for getting it back up again qx4096), I'm
> trying to translate this:
> "Let justice be done even as heaven falls."
>
> And in trying to get the flavor of the "even" part of the phrase, I think
> it's a kind of mixture of "ca" and ".u".  But the form "ko'a broda ko'e ca
> .u ko'i" is not valid.  It's possible to mix tags like "pu ca" or "ca bai",
> but I guess logical connectives are different?
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Connectives and tags are fundamentally different thin=
gs, which explains why when we want to use a tag as a connective, we have t=
o coerce it with the CONNECTIVE TAG BO formulation (e.g. .i TAG bo, je TAG =
bo, .e TAG bo, etc.). Even if we coerced {ca} into a connective, in your ex=
ample, we wouldn&#39;t be much further ahead since we can&#39;t connect con=
nectives. (A bit too meta.) We need to find a different approach.<br>

<br></div>Let&#39;s examine the meaning of what you want to say: &quot;even=
&quot; in this case is carrying a meaning of &quot;one wouldn&#39;t expect =
the main event to occur when the tagged event does, but it does!&quot; so t=
o remark on this, let&#39;s just use {ji&#39;a}. {.i vudypai ca lo ji&#39;a=
 sai nu lo tsani ca&#39;o farlu}.<br>

<br>.i mi&#39;e la tsani mu&#39;o<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 2 November 2013 13:50, Luke Bergen <span d=
ir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lukeabergen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">l=
ukeabergen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I don&#39;t know if this is=
 more suitable to the beginner list of the main list, but since it&#39;s a =
question, I figure it may be useful to some new folks.<div>

<br></div><div>Is it possible (and if so, how) to have multiple tags/connec=
tors?</div>

<div><br></div><div>Let me explain what I mean.</div><div><br></div><div>On=
 the new jboselkei (thanks for getting it back up again qx4096), I&#39;m tr=
ying to translate this:</div><div>&quot;Let justice be done even as heaven =
falls.&quot;<br>



</div><div><br></div><div>And in trying to get the flavor of the &quot;even=
&quot; part of the phrase, I think it&#39;s a kind of mixture of &quot;ca&q=
uot; and &quot;.u&quot;. =A0But the form &quot;ko&#39;a broda ko&#39;e ca .=
u ko&#39;i&quot; is not valid. =A0It&#39;s possible to mix tags like &quot;=
pu ca&quot; or &quot;ca bai&quot;, but I guess logical connectives are diff=
erent?</div>

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</font></span></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">

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