Received: from mail-pd0-f183.google.com ([209.85.192.183]:51130) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Ves5M-0007FO-4H; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 11:51:20 -0800 Received: by mail-pd0-f183.google.com with SMTP id y10sf456709pdj.0 for ; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 11:51:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=WMJ/C+6zSqaM/zsRe+vJEDBPS/0ppBFl0kFQhjNvWkc=; b=mztf1QeTyTyYx9PDgP6kPAl/LAqeekKhMhTTpVEJILVHOvETAjfgdsO8sKzHWxiAQp ljO5ZyjU8ppSCshq4zXz+He24QMak/FQOjtz6yP7kLg88mLl7divY5O4//s53UPZN+kW LhKqH1hJVsTNkfAUhugEQ1GGDhQwbnagh7w5TENxfU+Pb5ol3uL6iJYD/9Lq/eRPQmkz IztEGGkmBJHP8a+hYj5hwahoIMOQq+UJrWRZnpeoybDbgxTQ0oDEG6dlaMVrt8UYjVml qeRnmQOBSQNqLcEOXuK3wPrvA0m717OLzZGZPif+biuof3hKkLlnFBQhF3dj/VKxT+R1 fmIw== X-Received: by 10.49.14.70 with SMTP id n6mr72367qec.18.1383940269684; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 11:51:09 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.28.164 with SMTP id c4ls1715827qeh.63.gmail; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 11:51:08 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.129.194 with SMTP id h42mr3612224yhi.11.1383940268288; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 11:51:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com. [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id t6si702687vdg.0.2013.11.08.11.51.08 for ; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 11:51:08 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=UpLhxpMB c=1 sm=0 a=KmP4ZOwKm5YcYw8SyABlNg==:17 a=o7a0oRqgbeIA:10 a=9vtHyF5Id5kA:10 a=9Dll-6blZ0kA:10 a=Yr05hP5UdKEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=JNFw9bs7AAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=NB20-whFiLsA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=ylcaktP1J9hK1n3P7_YA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=AuAiSevHARsA:10 a=KmP4ZOwKm5YcYw8SyABlNg==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Authenticated-User: X-Originating-IP: 75.176.125.77 Received: from [75.176.125.77] ([75.176.125.77:63639] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 25/45-07922-BA04D725; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 19:51:08 +0000 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C2831AE for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 14:51:07 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Up-to-date study guide/textbook? Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2013 14:51:07 -0500 Message-ID: <7065494.MF7Ulc9Hqr@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-54-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <8ad0fbed-3a9d-427d-8dbc-64715afd04f2@googlegroups.com> References: <8ad0fbed-3a9d-427d-8dbc-64715afd04f2@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Thursday, November 07, 2013 20:29:45 liam.m.kane@gmail.com wrote: > I am almost totally new to lojban and I need something to get me started, > but in the few conversations I've had I've been told my grammar is > outdated. What is the currently accepted learning resource? You've been told that what about your grammar is outdated? If you say "cu" and you've been told to say "ku", there's nothing wrong with either way, and you can even say "ku cu". It's a teaching method, not anything about the grammar. If you've been told you can omit the "ku" in "ku joi", that's a difference between two kinds of formal grammars. The PEG can handle "joi" without the "ku"; the LALR1 grammar can't. If it has something to do with names beginning with "la", that's a change called dotside. If it's something else, tell us! Pierre -- loi mintu se ckaji danlu cu jmaji -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.