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la selpa'i ku cusku di'e
>I always treated it like this: When one predicate has more places than
>the other, the {je} connection only affects those places that "overlap".
>In this example, blanu1 and zdani1 are connected, but zdani2 is not,
>because there is no blanu2. Without this, the example would indeed be
>questionable, but tanru internal connectives would then be even more
>useless, so I don't recommend this interpretation.

I understand. You thus save {ti blanu je zdani} from being useless non-
sense. (Even then, {ti blanu je zdani} instead of then-equivalent {ti
blanu gi'e zdani} seems like bad style to me. I think it is a bit of a
pity that it is a CLL example sentence.)

I suppose you also accept {blanu je zdani ti}, by the same reasoning?

>{zi'o} might be debatable, but {no da} is out of the question. There
>cannot be a hidden negation in a {zo'e}.

Indeed.

>Also, I think it's important to make a difference between connected
>seltau units, and connected tertau units. This thread is only about the
>latter. The expansion for connected seltau units is deliberately vague,
>and usually gets expanded into two seperate tanru. But this is probably
>for another thread. 

Yes, I decided not to propose the seltau perspective because I find it
easier to explain the issue from the tertau perspective.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">la selpa'i ku cusku di'e<br>&gt;I always treated it like t=
his: When one predicate has more places than<br>&gt;the other, the {je} con=
nection only affects those places that "overlap".<br>&gt;In this example, b=
lanu1 and zdani1 are connected, but zdani2 is not,<br>&gt;because there is =
no blanu2. Without this, the example would indeed be<br>&gt;questionable, b=
ut tanru internal connectives would then be even more<br>&gt;useless, so I =
don't recommend this interpretation.<br><br>I understand. You thus save {ti=
 blanu je zdani} from being useless non-<br>sense. (Even then, {ti blanu je=
 zdani} instead of then-equivalent {ti<br>blanu gi'e zdani} seems like bad =
style to me. I think it is a bit of a<br>pity that it is a CLL example sent=
ence.)<br><br>I suppose you also accept {blanu je zdani ti}, by the same re=
asoning?<br><br>&gt;{zi'o} might be debatable, but {no da} is out of the qu=
estion. There<br>&gt;cannot be a hidden negation in a {zo'e}.<br><br>Indeed=
.<br><br>&gt;Also, I think it's important to make a difference between conn=
ected<br>&gt;seltau units, and connected tertau units. This thread is only =
about the<br>&gt;latter. The expansion for connected seltau units is delibe=
rately vague,<br>&gt;and usually gets expanded into two seperate tanru. But=
 this is probably<br>&gt;for another thread. <br><br>Yes, I decided not to =
propose the seltau perspective because I find it<br>easier to explain the i=
ssue from the tertau perspective.</div>

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