Received: from mail-vb0-f58.google.com ([209.85.212.58]:44638) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Vfe8P-0000Ec-2n; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 15:09:41 -0800 Received: by mail-vb0-f58.google.com with SMTP id i11sf899560vbh.13 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 15:09:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=to:subject:mime-version:date:from:in-reply-to:references:message-id :user-agent:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=79adAooKk7H5jQwdu7TzuJ4IeramMWxsNljUg7AHzmE=; b=fwCAddENvUruJhE7HLX05hQuc86egBzu2s7qsj8f8wDdabNhhDxKE5wRuMIq9McHTA d4l+dF/RRb7TjjnoP13P34Y4W66Y0DxUubHvAi5yzXwl3jX5OeBU2AElOwtdfwJvPEnj 1/Bv2mSjCgTarS7KxZLmGRNwy7Qp+am7sOl9qCkS/0xha5c2PO60LuzCCSajHYnnUOei lfyKTwP+NbN9krTDILUofHTarQEyEUHLfI6QSx7nwVF4dm/TANMasuatMarfoitvlPYj +rgP3B9oBVJ4Ut9KsS81IPHNsvIVgx5A+4FzbmG7LtH0CtPNceBKlajBxMyoNPqJjwTP 744w== X-Received: by 10.49.75.168 with SMTP id d8mr624919qew.3.1384124970462; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 15:09:30 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.105.34 with SMTP id gj2ls2256599qeb.52.gmail; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 15:09:29 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.76.1 with SMTP id a1mr18702443qak.3.1384124969201; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 15:09:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from www2.webmail.pair.com (www2.webmail.pair.com. [66.39.3.96]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id e11si2155367igq.0.2013.11.10.15.09.29 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 15:09:29 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 66.39.3.96 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) client-ip=66.39.3.96; Received: (qmail 2530 invoked by uid 65534); 10 Nov 2013 23:09:28 -0000 To: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Tanru-internal connectives, place structure, non-sense MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 00:09:28 +0100 From: selpa'i In-Reply-To: References: <64e7cd25-cdd9-46af-b396-dfce549aee2c@googlegroups.com> <216f6d9e3649c17dd8dd1bcc47381177@plasmatix.com> <03af24e3-315d-4a55-9e38-0b54e271d43f@googlegroups.com> Message-ID: X-Sender: m3o@plasmatix.com User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.8.1 X-Original-Sender: m3o@plasmatix.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 66.39.3.96 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) smtp.mail=m3o@plasmatix.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On 10.11.2013 23:44, Michael Turniansky wrote: > =A0 I disagree. =A0The sentence "mi sutra je jipci" is perfectly > sensible, and does =A0NOT mean the same thing as "mi sutra gi'e jipci" > (although ultimately the refferents are the same). =A0 Imagine a Venn > diagram. =A0[...] That is what the sentence "mi sutra je jipci"=20 > represents. =A0 But if there is nothing that can ever potentially fill the x2 of that=20 sentence, how can it be sensible? mu'o mi'e la selpa'i --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.