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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Tanru-internal connectives, place structure, non-sense
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    Simple... the compound selbri "sutra je jipci" doesn't HAVE an x2 place
(but it does have both an s2 and j2 place which have to be internally
linked with be), similar to the way that a lujvo may not have all the
places that the underlying veljvo seltau jonai tertau have.

       I don't know why this is a such a problem for you.  This is as
specious as saying you can never have a heterosexual woman President of the
United States, since then the phrase "first lady" would have no meaning.

                    --gejyspa



On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 6:09 PM, selpa'i <m3o@plasmatix.com> wrote:

> On 10.11.2013 23:44, Michael Turniansky wrote:
>
>>   I disagree.  The sentence "mi sutra je jipci" is perfectly
>> sensible, and does  NOT mean the same thing as "mi sutra gi'e jipci"
>> (although ultimately the refferents are the same).   Imagine a Venn
>> diagram.  [...] That is what the sentence "mi sutra je jipci" represents.
>>
>>
>
> But if there is nothing that can ever potentially fill the x2 of that
> sentence, how can it be sensible?
>
>
> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
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<div dir=3D"ltr">=A0 =A0 Simple... the compound selbri &quot;sutra je jipci=
&quot; doesn&#39;t HAVE an x2 place (but it does have both an s2 and j2 pla=
ce which have to be internally linked with be), similar to the way that a l=
ujvo may not have all the places that the underlying veljvo seltau jonai te=
rtau have. =A0<div>
<br></div><div>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I don&#39;t know why this is a such a problem=
 for you. =A0This is as specious as saying you can never have a heterosexua=
l woman President of the United States, since then the phrase &quot;first l=
ady&quot; would have no meaning.</div>
<div><br></div><div>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa</div>=
<div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 6:09 PM, selpa&#39;i <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:m3o@plasmatix.com" target=3D"_blank">m3o@plasmatix.com</a=
>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">On 10.11.2013 23:44, Micha=
el Turniansky wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">
=A0 I disagree. =A0The sentence &quot;mi sutra je jipci&quot; is perfectly<=
br>
sensible, and does =A0NOT mean the same thing as &quot;mi sutra gi&#39;e ji=
pci&quot;<br>
(although ultimately the refferents are the same). =A0 Imagine a Venn<br></=
div>
diagram. =A0[...] That is what the sentence &quot;mi sutra je jipci&quot; r=
epresents. =A0<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
But if there is nothing that can ever potentially fill the x2 of that sente=
nce, how can it be sensible?<div class=3D"im HOEnZb"><br>
<br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i<br>
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