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On Sunday, November 17, 2013 11:02:18 qx4096@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm a little confused about {baziku ca le nitce}. I would have thought th=
at
> would be "a short time from now but during the night" rather than "a litt=
le
> later in the night" because I thought that when {ba} has no sumti it is
> relative to the present.

Would ".ibazibo ca le nicte" work? You can connect two sentences with "ibab=
o",=20
meaning that the second one occurs after the first.

> The sentence with "someday" in it that I was trying to translate is
> "Annemarie thinks that maybe someday she will be able to give Elen back h=
er
> necklace," which I have translated as {la .anmyris. pensi lodu'u bazuku
> kakne lonu xruti lo cnebo jemna la .elen.}. I also wonder if {cnebo jemna=
}
> is not a good translation for "necklace".

I think you've found a word that's not easy to translate to Lojban. As to=
=20
"necklace", how about "nebjmeclupa"?

> How do I say that something happened between two dates? I translated "It
> was broadcast by NBC from 1996 to 2001," as {tivni ko'a la'o gy. NBC gy. =
ba
> li 1996 pu li 2001} but I'm not sure if this is correct. Also, how do I
> specify a date in terms of B.C.?

"ca'o li 1996 bi'o li 2001". This is typecasting a number to a time, and=20
though this is obviously a year, there are numbers which could be hours, da=
ys,=20
or years. To be clear, say "lo 2001moi nanca". For BC, use a negative numbe=
r.=20
You may need to specify "vede'i la .r=F3mulus./.pompilius./.iulius./=20
.gregorius.".

> How do I say "in the context of ..." like "in the episode X, Y happened".

I'm not sure. You may want "va'o" or "ca'o".

> I translated "Flynn and Rapunzel become trapped in a cave which is
> flooding," as {.i la flen. .e la rypynzyl. binxo lonu rivtolcu'i lo kevna
> noi tisna lo gairjaudu'e}. However, when I use {binxo} and make the x2 an
> event, am I saying that the x1 becomes what the event describes or that t=
he
> x1 becomes the event itself?

You're saying that x1 becomes the event. You could say "la .flen. e la=20
.rypynzyl. binxo lo pinfu be lo kevna bei lo gairjaudu'e" or "la .flen. e l=
a=20
.rypynzyl. co'a pinfu lo kevna".

> How do I say something like, "five months after X"? I translated, "The
> eighth season began five months after the end of the seventh season," as
> {lo bimoi tivcitsi cu tolsitsi ba mu lo datru ba lo fanmo be lo zemoi
> tivcitsi}.

"lo bimoi tivycitsi cu cfari za lo masti be li mu ba lo fanmo be lo zemoi=
=20
tivycisti". "tivcitsi" violates phonotactics. I'd use "tolsisti" when I run=
=20
"kill -CONT 1234" after I had stopped it to find out which browser window i=
s=20
taking up too much memory.

> How do I say that someone is named something? I tried {lo tolcitno je mak=
fa
> ninmu noi cmene la mydyr.gatyl.} but to specify that someone is named
> something, it seems like it would be necessary to say that they are named
> the word itself, not what the word refers to, so I tried using {zo} inste=
ad
> of {la} but the parser didn't like that.

Use "lu ... li'u".

> I tried {ca go'i ...} in my parser and it didn't accept that, but I think
> that would be the way to say "While that happened..." or {ba go'i} for
> "after that".

Try "ca lo nu go'i" or ".icabo".

Pierre
--=20
.i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do
.ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga
.icu'u la ma'atman.

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