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I don't know what was in mind of the author such an alphabet as Shavian.
la srilermorna looks much sexier (and also see the description of it's=20
design <http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=3Djbocre:_srilermorna>).



On Monday, May 3, 2010 12:31:38 AM UTC+4, Geoffrey Stewart wrote:
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> coi rodo
> =20
> Recently I discovered something called the Shavian alphabet (or la ciste=
=20
> lerfu be la ca., in my quick Lojban translation). It looks like something=
=20
> that could be easily adapted for Lojban use, as it has already been adapt=
ed=20
> for Esperanto use. Here is the wikipedia entry on it:=20
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shavian_alphabet
> =20
> And here is a font (two, in fact): http://www.demeyere.com/shavian/
> =20
> Obviously the letters for /t=CA=83/ (c), /d=CA=92/ (J), and /=C5=8B/ (N) =
would not be=20
> used. /j/ (j) and /w/ (w) would likewise not be used, as lojban uses=20
> vowels for that. /h/ (h) I am reluctant to use because it's so large and=
=20
> the lojbanic <'> should be less intrusive, so possibly the apostrophe cou=
ld=20
> just continue to be used. As for the vowels, A can be used for <a>, e or =
Efor <e>,=20
> I for <i>, O for <o>, M for <u>, and a for <y>.=20
> =20
> The main problem is that the mapping onto the keyboard doesn't seem to be=
=20
> very intuitive for some of the symbols, and will have you reaching for th=
e=20
> shift key more often than should be necessary. Nevertheless, it works fin=
e=20
> with writing, and is a logical alphabet to go with a logical language. Te=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I don't know what was in mind of the author such an alphab=
et as Shavian.<div>la srilermorna looks much sexier (and also see the descr=
iption of it's <a href=3D"http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=3Djbocre:_sr=
ilermorna">design</a>).<div><br></div><div><br><br>On Monday, May 3, 2010 1=
2:31:38 AM UTC+4, Geoffrey Stewart wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft: 1ex;"><div>coi rodo</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Recently I discovered something called the Shavian alphabet (or la cis=
te lerfu be la ca., in my quick Lojban translation). It looks like somethin=
g that could be easily adapted for Lojban use, as it has already been adapt=
ed for Esperanto use. Here is the wikipedia entry on it: <a href=3D"http://=
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shavian_alphabet" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikiped=
ia.org/wiki/<wbr>Shavian_alphabet</a></div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>And here is a font (two, in fact): <a href=3D"http://www.demeyere.com/=
shavian/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.demeyere.com/<wbr>shavian/</a></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Obviously the letters for <table><tbody><tr><td><span title=3D"Represe=
ntation in the International Phonetic Alphabet=20
(IPA)">/t=CA=83/ (<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;LINE-HEIGHT:115%;FONT-FAMIL=
Y:Ghoti">c)</span>,</span></td>
 <td><span title=3D"Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet=
=20
(IPA)">/d=CA=92/ (<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;LINE-HEIGHT:115%;FONT-FAMIL=
Y:Ghoti">J)</span>,</span></td>
 <td>and </td><td><span title=3D"Representation in the International Phonet=
ic Alphabet=20
(IPA)">/=C5=8B/ (<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;LINE-HEIGHT:115%;FONT-FAMILY=
:Ghoti">N)</span>&nbsp;would not be used. /j/ (<span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:G=
hoti"><font size=3D"3">j)</font></span> and /w/ (<font face=3D"Ghoti">w) </=
font>would likewise not be used, as lojban uses vowels for that. /h/ (<span=
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;LINE-HEIGHT:115%;FONT-FAMILY:Ghoti">h)</span>&nbsp=
;I am reluctant to use because it's so large and the lojbanic &lt;'&gt; sho=
uld be less intrusive, so possibly the apostrophe could just continue to be=
 used. As for the vowels,&nbsp;<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;LINE-HEIGHT:11=
5%;FONT-FAMILY:Ghoti">A</span><span title=3D"Representation in the Internat=
ional Phonetic Alphabet=20
(IPA)"> can be used for &lt;a&gt;, </span></span></td><td><span title=3D"Re=
presentation in the International Phonetic Alphabet=20
(IPA)"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;LINE-HEIGHT:115%;FONT-FAMILY:Ghoti">e&=
nbsp;</span></span><span title=3D"Representation in the International Phone=
tic Alphabet=20
(IPA)">or&nbsp;<font face=3D"Ghoti" size=3D"3">E</font> for &lt;e&gt;, </sp=
an></td><td><span title=3D"Representation in the International Phonetic Alp=
habet=20
(IPA)"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;LINE-HEIGHT:115%;FONT-FAMILY:Ghoti">I<=
/span> for &lt;i&gt;,&nbsp;<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;LINE-HEIGHT:115%;F=
ONT-FAMILY:Ghoti">O</span><span title=3D"Representation in the Internationa=
l Phonetic Alphabet=20
(IPA)"> for &lt;o&gt;, <span title=3D"Representation in the International P=
honetic Alphabet=20
(IPA)"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:Ghoti"><font size=3D"3">M </font></span>f=
or &lt;u&gt;, and&nbsp;<span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:Ghoti"><font size=3D"3">a=
</font></span> for &lt;y&gt;.</span></span></span></td></tr></tbody></table=
>
</div>
<div><span title=3D"Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet=
=20
(IPA)"><span title=3D"Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet=
=20
(IPA)"><span title=3D"Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet=
=20
(IPA)"><span title=3D"Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet=
=20
(IPA)"><span title=3D"Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet=
=20
(IPA)"></span></span></span></span></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span title=3D"Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet=
=20
(IPA)"><span title=3D"Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet=
=20
(IPA)"><span title=3D"Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet=
=20
(IPA)"><span title=3D"Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet=
=20
(IPA)"><span title=3D"Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet=
=20
(IPA)">The main problem is that the mapping onto the keyboard doesn't seem =
to be very intuitive for some of the symbols, and will have you reaching fo=
r the shift key more often than should be necessary. Nevertheless, it works=
 fine with writing, and is a logical alphabet to go with a logical language=
. Tell me what you think!</span></span></span></span></span></div>

<div><span title=3D"Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet=
=20
(IPA)"><span title=3D"Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet=
=20
(IPA)"><span title=3D"Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet=
=20
(IPA)"><span title=3D"Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet=
=20
(IPA)"><span title=3D"Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet=
=20
(IPA)"></span></span></span></span></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span title=3D"Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet=
=20
(IPA)"><span title=3D"Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet=
=20
(IPA)"><span title=3D"Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet=
=20
(IPA)"><span title=3D"Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet=
=20
(IPA)"><span title=3D"Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet=
=20
(IPA)">mu'o mi'e djefris.</span></span></span></span></span></div>

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