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On 9 January 2014 07:18, Sebastian <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:

> Don't you think that {mi ze'e pu prami do} could mean either {mi ze'e pu
> su'oroi prami do} (="I have always loved you at least one time") or {mi
> ze'e pu roroi prami do} (="I have always loved you at every time" (whatever
> "times" refers to here)) or {mi ze'e pu ru'i prami do} (="I have always
> loved you continuously") etc?
>
In most contexts I think the latter is the most plausible interpretation of
> bare {ze'e pu}, don't you think?
>

I don't think plain {ze'e pu} implies anything in between. {ze'e [PU] PA
roi} is a different thing. Per CLL 10.9, it is a compound tense, where the
{ze'e} specifies the time over which the counting occurs, right? I would
translate {mi ze'e pu su'o roi prami do} as "I loved you at least once in
the past".

The {ru'i} is as plausible as it would be without the {ze'e}.

See also http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section:+Distance


> {mi roroi prami do} could for example means {mi pu ze'u roroi ca ze'i pu
> prami do} (="there was a time in the past when I at every occasion had
> loved you for a short time").
>

Yes, it could.

mu'o
mi'e .asiz

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On 9 January 2014 07:18, Sebastian <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:so.cool.ogi@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">so.cool.ogi@gmail.com</a>&=
gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>Do=
n&#39;t you think that {mi ze&#39;e pu prami do} could mean either {mi ze&#=
39;e pu su&#39;oroi prami do} (=3D&quot;I have always loved you at least on=
e time&quot;) or {mi ze&#39;e pu roroi prami do} (=3D&quot;I have always lo=
ved you at every time&quot; (whatever &quot;times&quot; refers to here)) or=
 {mi ze&#39;e pu ru&#39;i prami do} (=3D&quot;I have always loved you conti=
nuously&quot;) etc?</div>
</div></blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div d=
ir=3D"auto"><div>In most contexts I think the latter is the most plausible =
interpretation of bare {ze&#39;e pu}, don&#39;t you think?</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br><div>I
 don&#39;t think plain {ze&#39;e pu} implies anything in between. {ze&#39;e=
 [PU] PA=20
roi} is a different thing. Per CLL 10.9, it is a compound tense, where the =
{ze&#39;e} specifies the time over which the counting occurs, right? I woul=
d translate {mi ze&#39;e pu su&#39;o roi prami do} as &quot;I loved you at =
least once in the past&quot;.<br>
<br>The {ru&#39;i} is as plausible as it would be without the {ze&#39;e}.<b=
r></div><br>See also <a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section:+Di=
stance">http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section:+Distance</a><br>=A0</div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l=
eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"auto"><div>{mi roroi prami do} could for example means {mi pu z=
e&#39;u roroi ca ze&#39;i pu prami do} (=3D&quot;there was a time in the pa=
st when I at every occasion had loved you for a short time&quot;).</div></d=
iv>
</blockquote><div><br>Yes, it could.<br><br>mu&#39;o<br>mi&#39;e .asiz<br><=
br></div></div></div></div>

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