Received: from mail-we0-f187.google.com ([74.125.82.187]:65051) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WKtEq-0001qn-W6 for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 04 Mar 2014 09:34:51 -0800 Received: by mail-we0-f187.google.com with SMTP id x48sf429963wes.24 for ; Tue, 04 Mar 2014 09:34:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/aLwoh98FrqY0ygP+kk0FRYx4D0U4o1aqaFkhYvNPwI=; b=Kd0Uw/c8dGyUBdfOyBHjP8t6V22pyIo7TMDQfH3ZHGdFmyNpZ/sSOAUPjh09WYJY1H RSizczY1ccBiJEx8X7UFX05wrCoaP7mXt6xjRPBpLk9pchsBG4iK3DJsNCeS9P/RmGDQ rGM/p5cwY33IKN2OKZ0oo+0QTilR7ScdujHqwRq/fjGmBg70TCR1z+V7ES2C2UFzU9mv pDK5xDF1dCa3UotUy8P7Yl2Kkmq8mfWikQTrYtIsqcPGrpTdQFhE13n0r3hcoXq1CYBF 6gAj5JUrfQew94vkLua5FmpiI9tv0zy8sVPHiRiXycvghy/x3xHtvaFhvtk3xpX3gqSV 82kA== X-Received: by 10.152.36.70 with SMTP id o6mr12977laj.3.1393954477707; Tue, 04 Mar 2014 09:34:37 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.26.5 with SMTP id h5ls174513lag.95.gmail; Tue, 04 Mar 2014 09:34:35 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.205.6.198 with SMTP id ol6mr279841bkb.4.1393954475523; Tue, 04 Mar 2014 09:34:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-we0-x22a.google.com (mail-we0-x22a.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c03::22a]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n42si1743534eep.1.2014.03.04.09.34.35 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 04 Mar 2014 09:34:35 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22a as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c03::22a; Received: by mail-we0-f170.google.com with SMTP id w61so5379180wes.15 for ; Tue, 04 Mar 2014 09:34:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.63.103 with SMTP id f7mr1298405wjs.38.1393954475332; Tue, 04 Mar 2014 09:34:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.82.135 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 09:34:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5607b344-9604-4f01-b375-0a5053eeab0f@googlegroups.com> References: <5607b344-9604-4f01-b375-0a5053eeab0f@googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 21:34:35 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Commands From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22a as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7ba97cde55dda104f3cb518c X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7ba97cde55dda104f3cb518c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:30 PM, MystyrNile a wrote: > I've never really liked the word "ko", perhaps because i don't fully > understand it. I know it means "the party addressed" while changing the > sentence from an assertion to a command to make the sentence true. But what > if i'm a member of the party addressed? How do i command mi'o or ma'a? > According to official Lojban: {do ma'a ko klama}. And there is an experimental cmavo {ko'oi} of selma'o UI so that {ko = do ko'oi} and {mi'o ko'oi klama} however, {mi'o e'u klama} is probably what you want in most cases. I thought that some UI cmavo that turns a sentence into a command would > work better, since commands don't always involve the addressee. > > How do i tell someone to make "le gerku cu zvati lo ri gerzda" true? > gau ko lo gerku cu zvati lo gerzda be ri = Make it so that the dog is inside its doghouse. -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:30 PM, MystyrNile a <= mystyrnile@gmail.= com> wrote:
I've never really liked the word &quo= t;ko", perhaps because i don't fully understand it. I know it mean= s "the party addressed" while changing the sentence from an asser= tion to a command to make the sentence true. But what if i'm a member o= f the party addressed? How do i command mi'o or ma'a?

According to official Lojban: {do ma'a= ko klama}.

And there is an experimental cmavo {ko= 'oi} of selma'o UI so that
{ko =3D do ko'oi} and {mi&= #39;o ko'oi klama} however, {mi'o e'u klama} is probably what y= ou want in most cases.

I thought that some UI cm= avo that turns a sentence into a command would work better, since commands = don't always involve the addressee.

How do i tell someone to make "le gerku cu zvati lo ri = gerzda" true?

gau ko lo ge= rku cu zvati lo gerzda be ri =3D Make it so that the dog is inside its dogh= ouse.

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