Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:58:58 -0700 (PDT)
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 I recently decided to learn lojban (complete beginner here) and I'm using=
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the Wave Lessons and the CLL for reference. I have a question about lesson=
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four of the Wave Lessons. It says that attitudinals are applied to the=20
previous word. In a part of the lesson it introduces da'i, which changes=20
propositional attitudinals to pure attitudinals and vice versa when using=
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da'i nai. The exercise for using da'i and da'i nai is to translate =E2=80=
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the apple away=E2=80=9D? while expressing obligation towards the giving. On=
e of the=20
correct translations given is "mi dunda da'i nai .ei lo plise", but the way=
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I translated it is "mi dunda .ei da'i nai lo plise", as it felt to me that=
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if attitudinals are supposed to apply to the previous word, then .ei would=
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express the obligation about dunda, and that the da'i nai would change that=
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obligation from a supposition to a fact statement. Is there a rigid word=20
order for attitudinals and/or using multiple attitudinals, or are both the=
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given translation and mine correct?

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<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;I recently decided to learn lojban (complete beginne=
r here) and I'm using the Wave Lessons and the CLL for reference. I have a =
question about lesson four of the Wave Lessons. It says that attitudinals a=
re applied to the previous word. In a part of the lesson it introduces da'i=
, which changes propositional attitudinals to pure attitudinals and vice ve=
rsa when using da'i nai. The exercise for using da'i and da'i nai is to tra=
nslate =E2=80=9CI give the apple away=E2=80=9D? while expressing obligation=
 towards the giving. One of the correct translations given is "mi dunda da'=
i nai .ei lo plise", but the way I translated it is "mi dunda .ei da'i nai =
lo plise", as it felt to me that if attitudinals are supposed to apply to t=
he previous word, then .ei would express the obligation about dunda, and th=
at the da'i nai would change that obligation from a supposition to a fact s=
tatement. Is there a rigid word order for attitudinals and/or using multipl=
e attitudinals, or are both the given translation and mine correct?<br></di=
v>

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