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The first one is "I should actually give" (da'i nai modifies dunda), while
the second is "I actually should give" (da'i nai modifies ei). Does that
help?

mi'e la latro'a mu'o


On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Jos=E9 Reyes <skeptic5396@gmail.com> wrote=
:

>  I recently decided to learn lojban (complete beginner here) and I'm usin=
g
> the Wave Lessons and the CLL for reference. I have a question about lesso=
n
> four of the Wave Lessons. It says that attitudinals are applied to the
> previous word. In a part of the lesson it introduces da'i, which changes
> propositional attitudinals to pure attitudinals and vice versa when using
> da'i nai. The exercise for using da'i and da'i nai is to translate "I giv=
e
> the apple away"? while expressing obligation towards the giving. One of t=
he
> correct translations given is "mi dunda da'i nai .ei lo plise", but the w=
ay
> I translated it is "mi dunda .ei da'i nai lo plise", as it felt to me tha=
t
> if attitudinals are supposed to apply to the previous word, then .ei woul=
d
> express the obligation about dunda, and that the da'i nai would change th=
at
> obligation from a supposition to a fact statement. Is there a rigid word
> order for attitudinals and/or using multiple attitudinals, or are both th=
e
> given translation and mine correct?
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>The first one is &quot;I should actually give&quot; (=
da&#39;i nai modifies dunda), while the second is &quot;I actually should g=
ive&quot; (da&#39;i nai modifies ei). Does that help?<br><br></div>mi&#39;e=
 la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o<br>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue,=
 Mar 25, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Jos=E9 Reyes <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:skeptic5396@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">skeptic5396@gmail.com</a>&gt;<=
/span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;I recently decided to=
 learn lojban (complete beginner here) and I&#39;m using the Wave Lessons a=
nd the CLL for reference. I have a question about lesson four of the Wave L=
essons. It says that attitudinals are applied to the previous word. In a pa=
rt of the lesson it introduces da&#39;i, which changes propositional attitu=
dinals to pure attitudinals and vice versa when using da&#39;i nai. The exe=
rcise for using da&#39;i and da&#39;i nai is to translate &ldquo;I give the=
 apple away&rdquo;? while expressing obligation towards the giving. One of =
the correct translations given is &quot;mi dunda da&#39;i nai .ei lo plise&=
quot;, but the way I translated it is &quot;mi dunda .ei da&#39;i nai lo pl=
ise&quot;, as it felt to me that if attitudinals are supposed to apply to t=
he previous word, then .ei would express the obligation about dunda, and th=
at the da&#39;i nai would change that obligation from a supposition to a fa=
ct statement. Is there a rigid word order for attitudinals and/or using mul=
tiple attitudinals, or are both the given translation and mine correct?<spa=
n class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
</font></span></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">

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