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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Chapter 12, Lujvo in pre-existing lujvo
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In short: yes, and it's the same procedure you already know.

Lujvo are made of rafsi, so getting the rafsi is not a problem. In the=20
simple case, you can just glom the lujvo together. Consider the lujvo=20
{jungau} =3D "to tell/make known". Now let's make a lujvo for a person who=
=20
does that -- maybe it means a town crier, or an incorrigible gossip. So=20
this will be a lujvo from {jungau prenu}. All we have to do is choose a=20
rafsi for {prenu} and stick them together: {jungaupre}. (Or {jungauprenu},=
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or {djunygaupre}, etc... by definition they are all the same word.)

Potential complications:
- When making long tanru, you put in {ke ... ke'e} as necessary to get the=
=20
grouping right. These will sometimes show up in long lujvo as well.
- You have to watch out for tosmabru. But you have to do that when making=
=20
lujvo out of gismu anyway.

(ta'o there is apparently already a lujvo for DNA, and it's made from=20
gismu: {ginxu'i}, from {jgina xukmi}.)

mu'o mi'e durka

El martes, 22 de abril de 2014 02:06:07 UTC-4, Luke Immes escribi=C3=B3:
>
> Lojban allows on to make lujvo from pre-existing cmavo, and gismu.
> For the sake of cognitive efficiency, is there a way to make new lujvo=20
> from cmavo, gismu and
> pre-existing lujvo?  I do not think this is allowed, since we do not know=
=20
> the rafsi for the newly
> created lujvo.
>
> For example, suppose I wish to create deoxyribonucleic acid lujvo.
> First create lujvo for an acid (chemistry), then an OH group (organic=20
> chemistry), then nucleotide (biology), ...
> you get the idea.
> Now, combine these lujvo results into a new lujvo.
> I could generalize this procedure to mathematics, electrical=20
> engineering, theater, and so on.
> Thanks.
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">In short: yes, and it's the same procedure you already kno=
w.<br><br>Lujvo are made of rafsi, so getting the rafsi is not a problem. I=
n the simple case, you can just glom the lujvo together. Consider the lujvo=
 {jungau} =3D "to tell/make known". Now let's make a lujvo for a person who=
 does that -- maybe it means a town crier, or an incorrigible gossip. So th=
is will be a lujvo from {jungau prenu}. All we have to do is choose a rafsi=
 for {prenu} and stick them together: {jungaupre}. (Or {jungauprenu}, or {d=
junygaupre}, etc... by definition they are all the same word.)<br><br>Poten=
tial complications:<br>- When making long tanru, you put in {ke ... ke'e} a=
s necessary to get the grouping right. These will sometimes show up in long=
 lujvo as well.<br>- You have to watch out for tosmabru. But you have to do=
 that when making lujvo out of gismu anyway.<br><br>(ta'o there is apparent=
ly already a lujvo for DNA, and it's made from gismu: {ginxu'i}, from {jgin=
a xukmi}.)<br><br>mu'o mi'e durka<br><br>El martes, 22 de abril de 2014 02:=
06:07 UTC-4, Luke Immes escribi=C3=B3:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr">Lojban allows on to make lujvo from pre-existing c=
mavo, and gismu.<div>For the sake of cognitive efficiency, is there a way t=
o make new lujvo from cmavo, gismu and</div><div>pre-existing lujvo? &nbsp;=
I do not think this is allowed, since we do not know the rafsi for the newl=
y</div><div>created lujvo.</div><div><br></div><div>For example, suppose I =
wish to create&nbsp;deoxyribonucleic&nbsp;acid lujvo.</div><div>First creat=
e lujvo for an acid (chemistry), then an OH group (organic chemistry), then=
 nucleotide (biology), ...</div><div>you get the idea.</div><div>Now, combi=
ne these lujvo results into a new lujvo.</div><div>I could&nbsp;generalize&=
nbsp;this procedure to mathematics, electrical engineering,&nbsp;theater, a=
nd so on.</div><div>Thanks.</div></div></blockquote></div>

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