Received: from mail-pa0-f56.google.com ([209.85.220.56]:63658) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Wd083-00021N-JI for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 09:34:46 -0700 Received: by mail-pa0-f56.google.com with SMTP id kq14sf90918pab.11 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 09:34:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ePZ+OLA6+3yAhYTAg2HMmjDk3YezT/3FdlbP+Kb8T1I=; b=ib/2MorPMQ2hn/kyyBEqUmLZ+XVW+RI44tw/yxo0k2XYchTABdFinq+qdpmFt8cJm5 01NR113dtt/Padln0A6HYu8Rv+4H7dh78+eab4+mkucUeq67zAEaspxkE+9bKMenstaF on9gkmkJFAJrcb9fz2vxnwWMCVn5aTSFL8RqHaFPsu2MHz4qD0mBQbCHHux61gMgMlpV DF9CzVhkCmV0eFnjTSr0ZUZZfPI9gVQU5cA+d1M3Gr5Kd3doYOEl8047ilvEDbiovwWK p/P/EHXVTn3bxlWDYJ9US8CFTU5t34k74JaKm48jqjIhUUI44ekQmJALQPxqfVKs8ouO uCeg== X-Received: by 10.140.95.214 with SMTP id i80mr681327qge.3.1398270869341; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 09:34:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.101.213 with SMTP id u79ls698366qge.79.gmail; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 09:34:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.92.15 with SMTP id i15mr23261406yhf.8.1398270868411; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 09:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com. [107.14.166.230]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id n7si511496qcz.2.2014.04.23.09.34.28 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 09:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=107.14.166.230; Received: from [98.122.190.249] ([98.122.190.249:42826] helo=leopard.ixazon.lan) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 8A/27-30401-39BE7535; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 16:34:28 +0000 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leopard.ixazon.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id A286F3E9 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 12:34:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] how do you use sumka'i to refer to an outer bridi? Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 12:34:24 -0400 Message-ID: <3609227.GqXVqLHqvH@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-60-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <700717d1-6c0c-4b4c-a6d2-77d5401f0db5@googlegroups.com> References: <700717d1-6c0c-4b4c-a6d2-77d5401f0db5@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.130:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 1 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 09:12:38 neit wrote: > coi rodo > > A good example that I'm trying to wrap my brain around is the following: > Suppose I want to say, "Who wants my dog?" bau la lojban - .i ma djica lo > nu ____ ponse lo mi gerku > > I want a sumka'i in the ____ to refer to the "ma" in the main bridi. How > can I do that? Can I use the reflexive sumka'i vo'a? (.i ma djica lo nu > vo'a ponse lo mi gerku)? Or do those reflexive sumka'i only refer to their > native bridi, or can they "reach-out" and refer to the main bridi of which > they are a part? [...] Content analysis details: (0.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 09:12:38 neit wrote: > coi rodo > > A good example that I'm trying to wrap my brain around is the following: > Suppose I want to say, "Who wants my dog?" bau la lojban - .i ma djica lo > nu ____ ponse lo mi gerku > > I want a sumka'i in the ____ to refer to the "ma" in the main bridi. How > can I do that? Can I use the reflexive sumka'i vo'a? (.i ma djica lo nu > vo'a ponse lo mi gerku)? Or do those reflexive sumka'i only refer to their > native bridi, or can they "reach-out" and refer to the main bridi of which > they are a part? I'd use "ce'u", since it's in a nu-clause. Pierre -- ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.